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Old 09-25-2011, 02:48 AM
 
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Give me a break. You think that teacher routinely suspends students who speak out of turn ? You think a principal often overturns a teacher's decision ? This is simple. The teacher overreacted to the student's unpopular, offensive to some, opinion.
suspended for being out of turn?

what I read was he got ISS (sent out of class), which kids routinely given for having side-conversations and then arguing with the teacher.

Obviously the principle was concerned about Republican Christian biases and how they could get him and the school in trouble since they often run their mouths without all the facts straight.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:55 AM
 
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Interesting suggestion and perhaps you are right. I think it's person's right to state some (racial) prejudices without fear of retaliation for example, preferences in the family like no racial mixing etc.
horrible and disgusting suggestion...

kids shouldn't be commenting with each other over the teachers trying to teach, especially not about the religionist reasons for why the kids enjoy persecuting and looking down on others.
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Old 09-25-2011, 03:12 AM
 
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supposedly, while teaching about Germany, one student began asking the teacher what German's thought about homosexuality back in the day, then another asked how to say "lesbian" in German, then little 14 yr-old jock suddenly turned around and began a whispered and not-loud-enough for the teacher to think it disruptive, side-conversation with his class-mate about how homosexuals were just plain wrong, simply on the grounds that Christianity (as he sees it) is true, implying that there is nothing else stopping him from being a homosexual.

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"Just because you walk through the schoolhouse doors does not mean you shed your 1st Amendment rights," Krause said in a statement. "Dakota wasn't disrupting class. He wasn't bullying or harassing anybody. He was just stating his personal opinion on a topic somebody brought up and in a civil and respectful manner." (...)
It all began in Ary's German class, where the teacher was leading the students in a discussion about religion in Germany.
According to a statement from Liberty Counsel, one student asked what Germans thought about homosexuality in relation to religion. Another student asked to hear the German translation of "lesbian."
That's when Ary turned to a friend and said, "I'm a Christian and, to me, being homosexual is wrong," the teenager said in a television interview on Fox News earlier this week.


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some bolded statements don't seem to add up. How did Christianity fit into the class discussion?

Texas high school student suspended for saying homosexuality is wrong | LifeSiteNews.com ~

It's too bad fox is the only propaganda machine working on the story, we need a real news organization to actually give us some reliable details that don't just have us needlessly criticizing the decision of our teachers... who are worth more than our pastors and other cult-leaders.

Run their mouths and spread gossip... its all good, when you do it in the name of your country, politics, or god.

Two non-fox newsblogs added btw. that way we don't needlessly give money to fox news for doing some culture-movement Murdocian propaganda.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:54 AM
 
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suspended for being out of turn?

what I read was he got ISS (sent out of class), which kids routinely given for having side-conversations and then arguing with the teacher.

Obviously the principle was concerned about Republican Christian biases and how they could get him and the school in trouble since they often run their mouths without all the facts straight.
The student argued with the teacher ? Where'd you see that ?

Look, if teachers 'routinely' issued suspensions for side conversations and brief comments to friends, classes would be half-empty.

The boy was punished for What he said.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:01 AM
 
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Texas Student Suspended For Saying Gay Is Wrong According To His Beliefs
This happened in Texas?

When did the Lone Star State become progressive?
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:57 AM
 
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The bottom line is we don't have any facts about the incident whatsoever. So, there is no need to go on discussing who is wrong or right for what they did because the fact of the matter is we don't know what happened or what anyone did. All we know is we have some very poor reporting.

We only have one side of the story folks. One from a kid who got in trouble and may be trying to spin the story such that he looks like the victim. We don't know that he was not disrupting class, because that claim only comes from him, even though the news agency reported that as an established fact (again poor reporting which I have come to expect from that news organization). The statements from his mom and lawyer and based on the boy's story to them.

So, there is no need to get all up in arms until we get facts about the incident; not just a one-sided account from a teen who got in trouble. I bet some of his classmates are probably tweeting and Facebook messaging about the incident since it made the news. If we could only have a separate account of what happened...

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Old 09-25-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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It's always difficult to decide where free speech becomes unacceptable.
If he was commenting only to his friend behind him, as he stated in the report, he was not engaged in classroom discussion but in a behavior which disrupts class.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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Give me a break. You think that teacher routinely suspends students who speak out of turn ? You think a principal often overturns a teacher's decision ? This is simple. The teacher overreacted to the student's unpopular, offensive to some, opinion.


Teachers don't suspend students, administrators do.


Did the teacher overreact? If the narrative given is accurate, yes. Should the student be punished? Who knows.

School boards have gone off the deep end in regulating all kinds of school behaviors lately (at the demand of parents) so if a behavior fits into a matrix for punishment there usually is no alternative to imposing it. Add to the mix that an awful lot of regulations are really poorly written/vague and this type of thing happens daily in schools across the country.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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Give me a break. You think that teacher routinely suspends students who speak out of turn ? You think a principal often overturns a teacher's decision ? This is simple. The teacher overreacted to the student's unpopular, offensive to some, opinion.
If the principal thinks his name will end up on Fox News and people across the country will make a big hash out of something? Absolutely. It's nothing new.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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If the principal thinks his name will end up on Fox News and people across the country will make a big hash out of something? Absolutely. It's nothing new.
Sure, its all Fox news fault. With no Fox, the principal would have backed the teacher's wrong action ? What next, the teacher was setup by an evangelical fundamentalist conspiracy ?
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