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Old 09-24-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: California
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"Our egotistic and selfish attitude, which dominates the world both in our private and public affairs, is the cause of suffering. We all love ourselves and cherish ourselves first; we all believe that there is no person worthy of cherishing more than ourselves. The devil, we might say, is my egotism, and from it comes our insecurity and feelings of worthlessness, sadness, conceit, pride, etc. We need to be less selfish and more charitable to others."--Geshe Sopa
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Old 09-24-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Gee...this gets confusing.
In another thread we just got told...

Today's Lesson From Paul:
Galatians 5:14. The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Wouldn't it be logical that in order to think that highly of your neighbor, you've got to think pretty highly of yourself first?
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Old 09-24-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: East Coast U.S.
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"Our egotistic and selfish attitude, which dominates the world both in our private and public affairs, is the cause of suffering. We all love ourselves and cherish ourselves first; we all believe that there is no person worthy of cherishing more than ourselves. The devil, we might say, is my egotism, and from it comes our insecurity and feelings of worthlessness, sadness, conceit, pride, etc. We need to be less selfish and more charitable to others."--Geshe Sopa
If we all come from nothing and are headed for nothing and if God does not exist, logically, why should we ever bother with being unselfish and charitable?

Either it's God and everything makes sense or it's nihilism and everything is ultimately nonsense. Geshe Sopa cannot provide the thing we all need in order for life to have any meaning, and that would be 'PURPOSE.'
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If we all come from nothing and are headed for nothing and if God does not exist, logically, why should we ever bother with being unselfish and charitable?

Either it's God and everything makes sense or it's nihilism and everything is ultimately nonsense. Geshe Sopa cannot provide the thing we all need in order for life to have any meaning, and that would be 'PURPOSE.'
Might have something to do with the old saying
"One hand washes the other"
"WE" ?
And an old reply....
"You got a mouse in your pocket?"
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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A belief in a god is not necessary for one to have a sense of ethics. One should treat others with consideration simply because it is the right thing to do, not because of supernatural rewards and punishments.
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Old 09-24-2011, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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Might have something to do with the old saying
"One hand washes the other"
"WE" ?
And an old reply....
"You got a mouse in your pocket?"
And May West said: " Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:32 PM
 
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Thank God my parents were selfish enough to give into their carnal desires and spend a night pleasing themselves by pleasing each other, or I never would have been born.
Some of these strange sayings about 'the selfish self' forgets that the self is not going to just get up and leave, an empty hollow of a human left behind allowing itself to be fed by some other empty hollow human. Even animals fight to the death when cornered. Oh, those selfish beasts! We gain a slightly more heightened sense of self-awareness, and we all of a sudden feel bad about who we are underneath that human skin we're wearing.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: East Coast U.S.
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Might have something to do with the old saying
"One hand washes the other"
"WE" ?
And an old reply....
"You got a mouse in your pocket?"
One hand washes the other and one hand stabs you in the back. Whomever stabs first, wins.

With respect to the WE, you are certainly free to create your own little bubble world where you create your own purpose for existing. Fine and dandy...put on the old rose colored glasses and have at it.

Personally, I prefer reality. The 'phoney baloney plastic banana' stuff has no appeal for me.
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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"Our egotistic and selfish attitude, which dominates the world both in our private and public affairs, is the cause of suffering. We all love ourselves and cherish ourselves first; we all believe that there is no person worthy of cherishing more than ourselves. The devil, we might say, is my egotism, and from it comes our insecurity and feelings of worthlessness, sadness, conceit, pride, etc. We need to be less selfish and more charitable to others."--Geshe Sopa
Human perfection is impossible. Forgiveness is possible.
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: California
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If we all come from nothing and are headed for nothing and if God does not exist, logically, why should we ever bother with being unselfish and charitable?

Either it's God and everything makes sense or it's nihilism and everything is ultimately nonsense. Geshe Sopa cannot provide the thing we all need in order for life to have any meaning, and that would be 'PURPOSE.'
The notion that Buddhism is nihilistic is quite adamantine. It is mistaken, not merely because Buddhism and nihilism are hardly comparable, but because almost every tenet or conclusion of nihilism, the denial of existence, the idea that values are meaningless, the rejection of ethics, the idea that human existence is purposeless, the concept that there isn't any truth, and so forth, is squarely opposed by Buddhism.

Furthermore, what you mentioned in your post, that there is no you, that life is an illusion, that thought and emotions are illusions, doesn't apply either. Sure, an-atman means no-self, but it does not mean that you don't exist. And why would Buddhism rely on the notion of karma if it taught simultaneously that karma is an illusion?
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