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Old 10-12-2011, 01:12 AM
 
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most scholarly Atheists don't consider "pantheism" or "nature worship" to be religions, but merely philosophies.
To them a "Religion" would not be even Deism. Rel would have to be a form of Theism which sees God as a separate thing, or at least be organized into a theist institution on how to live life and why.
Here you go... Pantheism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Yup... that's a religion. Doesn't matter what atheists think is or is not a religion. Pantheism is a religion and it has a branch that is based on fact, a branch that is based on fact and spirit, and one based off mind and spirit.
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Old 10-12-2011, 02:22 AM
 
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Here you go... Pantheism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Yup... that's a religion. Doesn't matter what atheists think is or is not a religion. Pantheism is a religion and it has a branch that is based on fact, a branch that is based on fact and spirit, and one based off mind and spirit.
The Stanford Encyclopedia is a secular authority for many schools, but not all... like I said, to them "Religion" means more than just pantheism, nature appreciation/worship, Deism, etc etc.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:31 AM
 
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The Stanford Encyclopedia is a secular authority for many schools, but not all... like I said, to them "Religion" means more than just pantheism, nature appreciation/worship, Deism, etc etc.
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For a time during the 19th century it seemed like Pantheism was the religion of the future
Pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pantheism is a religion. Sorry to burst your bubble. PANTHEISM: the World Pantheist Movement
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:03 AM
 
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And what facts back up the religious belief again? We all know nature exists - but what fact back up the need to worship it as a god?
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:07 AM
 
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First Church of Atheism
Seems like a group set up as an alternative to religion to allow non-religious people to perform marriage ceremonies. Kind of the opposite of it being a religion - if the people joining were religious they wouldn't need this "church" in the first place.
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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And what facts back up the religious belief again? We all know nature exists - but what fact back up the need to worship it as a god?
You are kidding right? You don't see how the earth, nature, or the galaxy could be worshiped as a god?

The aurora borealis, grand canyon, the stone forest, redwood forest, the stars, the way everything works together in harmony....

Simply leave the city you live in and go out into nature. Grab a telescope and stare at the billions of stars, best of all... look into a mirror and wonder. Evolution took place and you exist because of it. We share this world with thousands of other species.

If you applied that so called logic a reason some of you atheists go on about it wouldn't be hard to find the reason some worship nature and even consider it a god.
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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It seems to me that the very word Pantheism implies a religion of sorts. It all depends on how one defines religion, I suppose.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:17 AM
 
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You are kidding right? You don't see how the earth, nature, or the galaxy could be worshiped as a god?
Sure, but there's a huge leap of faith involved, which is kind of the opposite of the fact based religion you were trying to portray it as.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:28 AM
 
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You are kidding right? You don't see how the earth, nature, or the galaxy could be worshiped as a god?

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If you applied that so called logic a reason some of you atheists go on about it wouldn't be hard to find the reason some worship nature and even consider it a god.
No, that's ridiculous. Many atheists are appreciative of, and even overwhelmed by, the beauty and subtlety of the universe, the mechanisms by which the parts interact, and the literally unimaginable scale at both the upper and lower limits.

Worship? Act as though the universe, the earth, or some galaxy is an conscious, intentional entity that wills our existence and wants us to be happy? No. Ridiculous. All these things just are. There is no more reason to worship the Andromeda Galaxy than there is to worship the intricate arrangement of sand crystals on the beach, or the indomitable reproductive drive that powers the cancer cells in someone who doesn't even know they're there yet, yet will ultimately kill him. The galaxy is as indifferent to our existence as the cancer.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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Sure, but there's a huge leap of faith involved, which is kind of the opposite of the fact based religion you were trying to portray it as.
I don't think you are reading any of the things I post or the links I provide. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "all" and the Greek (theos) meaning "God"

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The term pantheist — from which the word Pantheism was derived — was purportedly first used in English by Irish writer John Toland in his 1705 work "Socinianism Truly Stated, by a pantheist". He clarified the idea in a 1710 letter to Gottfried Leibniz when he referred to "the pantheistic opinion of those who believe in no other eternal being but the universe".[6] However, many earlier writers, schools of philosophy, and religious movements expressed pantheistic ideas.
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Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion gave Naturalistic Pantheism increased credibility among atheists by describing it as “sexed-up atheism.”
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Monist Physicalist Pantheism

Monist physicalist Pantheism or Naturalistic Pantheism holds that there is only one type of substance, and that substance is physical, i.e. able at its most basic level to be described by physics, though more complex phenomena such as life, consciousness and societies can appear through emergence. Historically this version was held by Stoics such as Zeno of Citium or Marcus Aurelius, and in modern times by John Toland, Ernst Haeckel, D.H. Lawrence and Paul Harrison. This version is represented today by the World Pantheist Movement. In this version, the term god — if used at all — is basically a synonym for Nature or Universe, seen from the point of view of reverence.
Source: Pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You might also want to look into Pandeism.
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