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Old 10-09-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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But it's only "mainline" because they took over an entire US state and are strongly influential in several others.
Uh... they didn't actually "take over an entire state." In spite of the fact that they were law-abiding American citizens, they were driven from their homes in mid-winter and forced to flee what was then the United States for their lives. (Yes, you can take that last statement literally. The Governor of Missouri issued an "Extermination Order" that made it legal to kill any Mormon in Missouri. That law was on the books until 1976. Not 1876.) They hauled their meager possessions across the Great Plains of America, losing hundreds to starvation, illness and the elements, and finally settled in a desolate wilderness nobody else wanted. That desolate wilderness eventually became the "state" you believe they "took over."

Today, there are 14.1 million Mormons in 132 countries. Only 14% of them live in Utah, and fewer than half even live in the United States. 800 individuals convert to the Church every single day worldwide and over two-thirds of the Church's membership today is comprised of first-generation converts. A new chapel is completed (and paid for in full by the time it is dedicated for use) somewhere in the world every 16 hours. I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, but we're definitely here to stay and have an influence in many places throughout the world.

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Their incredible monetary wealth has also bought them legitimacy in this country. If not for all of those things, I believe that they would still be considered a kooky cult.
And yet you probably haven't got the foggiest idea just how rich the Church is, since you obviously don't get any of your information from reliable sources.

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...and does unspeakable sexual acts in the secrecy of their temples?
Good grief. I'm just going to assume you're kidding about this. Honestly, though, the more you run off at the mouth concerning things you know absolutely nothing about, the stupider you look. Absolutely nothing of a sexual nature goes on in the temples.

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Living the afterlife as a "sex machine" is an aspect that is often found in muslimism, as is believed in mormonism. I would never connect muslimism with christianity.
A sex machine, huh? You know, I've got to give you an A+ for creativity. When it comes to accuracy, however, you fail miserably.

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Old 10-09-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Personally I've never heard anyone with any sense say that Mormons were christians(they are not btw)....I've always called them a cult and stand firm in that belief.

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Old 10-09-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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But it's only "mainline" because they took over an entire US state and are strongly influential in several others. Their incredible monetary wealth has also bought them legitimacy in this country. If not for all of those things, I believe that they would still be considered a kooky cult. Which other religion wears magic underwear and does unspeakable sexual acts in the secrecy of their temples? Living the afterlife as a "sex machine" is an aspect that is often found in muslimism, as is believed in mormonism. I would never connect muslimism with christianity.
Magic underwear? Temple conspiracy? Trust me there's no sex going on in temples and I never owned any magical underwear.
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Old 10-09-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I've known a few Mormons over the years. I prefer them to the Southern Baptists I have known. I don't consider them Christains though. Or, they are more like Christains with an asterix. There are enough things that are different about them from other Christain sects for them to be their own category.
Since you seem like a rational sort of person, WestCobb, what would you personally say a person must believe in order to be a Christian? If I told you Mormons believe every single solitary word the Bible says about Jesus Christ, would you be surprised? In formulating your answer, make sure your criteria would not eliminate any of Jesus Christ's Apostles or His earliest disciples.

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Old 10-09-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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I agree that it is being politically correct to call Mormons Christains and pretend they are like any other denomination. When a denomination has its own testament that is not recognized by any other sect it has morphed into something else. That said, I don't think it's fair to call Mormons cultists. The Church started out as a cult, but what it is today is no more kooky or ominous than any other mainline church.

The Catholic church has several more chapters to their Bible than other Protestant religions also called the second canon. That is not unique to the Mormons.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I don't consider them to be part of the historic, orthodox Christian faith.
That's fine with me. We don't consider ourselves to be part of "the historic, orthodox Christian faith" either. We would describe ourselves as "restorationist Christianity." Our Church was founded on the following premise: We believe that as part of His ministry, Jesus Christ established His Church. We believe that following His death and the deaths of His Apostles, men changed that Church (both the doctrines and the organizational structure). We believe that it -- the ancient Church -- has been re-established today by revelation to a latter-day prophet appointed by God, and is known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The bottom line, though, is that we worship Jesus Christ every bit as much as any other Christians do, and look to Him as the source of our redemption and salvation. Muslims don't. Jews don't. Baha'is don't.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Do Mormons believe that based on how good they are on Earth, they will perhaps ascend to a higher level on Heaven or something along those lines?
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Every religion has kooky beliefs. As a Catholic, I'm not going to start pointing fingers when it comes to strange ideas. What dictates whether or not a group is a cult is the behavior of its members. On the "cult scale", Mormons score no higher than Southern Baptists. Here is a checklist of what constitutes a cult.

Cults 101: Checklist of Cult Characteristics


lol...Southern Baptists do not operate as a cult. It is a very autonomous religion actually. Some of the members might give the religion itself a bad name (like Dallas's Pastor Jeffress) but it is not cult like. Of course I also don't consider Mormonism a cult.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Rick Perry's pastor friend Robert Jeffress recently referred to mormonism as a "cult" and that they are not true christians.
I don't claim to be a religious person, but how do mormons claim to be Christians when they don't follow the Holy Bible like the Christian religions do? Instead, they follow the Book of mormon and have completely different saints and historical figures than the Christian religions. I'm not even beginning to talk about the strange customs that they follow among each other. Isn't it being a tad "politically correct" to refer to them as christian?



The problem is that your premise that the LDS does not follow the Bible is false. They do and accept Christ as their Savior just like all Christians do. The only difference is they add the book of Mormon as an additional chapter and verse to their Bible. Mormons sincerely believe that God and Christ didn't only appear to a select chosen people in the Near East but simultaneously appeared to their children in the New World and lands far beyond the confinds of the Western Judeo-Christian-Muslim world. Godly men recieved these messages in their own way and one such man was a Mr Smith who found golden tablets buried in Upstate New York which became the basis of the Book of Mormon named after the Angel who gave them to Mr Smith. The idea that God had a loving embrace for all his children was contriversial in the early 19th century where some Christians believed that colored races bore the Mark of Cain and didn't have souls that could be saved.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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lol...Southern Baptists do not operate as a cult. It is a very autonomous religion actually. Some of the members might give the religion itself a bad name (like Dallas's Pastor Jeffress) but it is not cult like. Of course I also don't consider Mormonism a cult.
This is true. Moving to the south I found out very quickly that that Southern Baptists are fiercely independent and just because two churches share the title "Southern Baptist" doesn't mean they are all that similar.
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