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Old 10-21-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Robots?

Why not?

If God had such low self-esteem he needed to create some cheer leaders to worship him, the least he could do is not make them defective. That way he would neither have to torture so many of the defective ones, nor had to murder his son to save the few non-defective ones.

But no, he made some defective babies just to immediately kill them all in a flood. Question: What sense does that make?

Answer: Absolutely no sense. Literal-word Christianity makes absolutely no sense. Not all Christianity, just the literalist. When you start putting all of the parts together, it creates a crazy, chaotic, and incoherent narrative. One has to completely turn their mind off to look past all of that to believe every word of the bible is literally true.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:52 PM
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Why not?
What kind of existence would that be?

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If God had such low self-esteem he needed to create some cheer leaders to worship him, the least he could do is not make them defective. That way he would neither have to torture so many of the defective ones, nor had to murder his son to save the few non-defective ones.
I believe God created us to love us.

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But no, he made some defective babies just to immediately kill them all in a flood. Question: What sense does that make?
God did not make us defective. He made us with a choice.

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Answer: Absolutely no sense. Literal-word Christianity makes absolutely no sense. Not all Christianity, just the literalist. When you start putting all of the parts together, it creates a crazy, chaotic, and incoherent narrative. One has to completely turn their mind off to look past all of that to believe every word of the bible is literally true.
So what does this story mean, taken in a non-literal way?
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:07 PM
 
Location: OKC
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What kind of existence would that be?



I believe God created us to love us.



God did not make us defective. He made us with a choice.



So what does this story mean, taken in a non-literal way?
1. It would be a happy existence if God created us to appreciate worshiping him and to hate sin.

2. Ok.

3. So what choice did the children who died in the flood make? Where did they go wrong?

4. In a non-literal way, this story was probably part of Jewish folk tradition, written in different ways by different people (there are 2 versions of it in the bible.) It was probably a cautionary tale, to keep people adhering to their religion and demonstrate the power of God. There are other possibilities, depending on ones point of view.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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Explain please.
Is using genocide like God did, or helping initiate it the way Noah did, something that they would want to have done to themselves, if they were the victims and not the perpetrators?

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Old 10-22-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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Yeah, right. I believe the parents doomed their children. You disagree?
I do.

So does the Bible.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

It is sometimes a book of wisdom.
You should read it.

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Old 10-22-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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Robots?
Is it better to be a robot or a corpse?

Remember that God's free will is----do things my way or burn forever.

Is it better to be a robot or to have to suffer torture forever?

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DL
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Old 10-22-2011, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Remember that God's free will is----do things my way or burn forever.

.......
DL

Tonight there is the movie on Saturday Night at the Movies: A Man for all Seasons. God's free will is also about the politics of the people's wishes in the folly of weddings' light in the Seasons of the Year. The King must either choose from religious authority or from the suitably judged Will in the People. We are constantly watching how the seasons are relative in this Measure by God. No? Are the people in spite of that condemned to love each other forever, or feel marked by the seasons to Love by the changing and so forth adjusted economy and culture.Is the Right God? or are the people allowed to consideration of politics that is agreeable for all it's discrepancies and contradictions.
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Old 10-22-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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I do.

So does the Bible.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

It is sometimes a book of wisdom.
You should read it.

Regards
DL
This was a later teaching - in reaction to the corporate punishment you find in earlier books - you'll find in the Torah an entirely different teaching from the prophets. Seeing as the story of Noah's Flood is contained in the Torah, and not in Ezekiel- well...
You do realize that the religion of the Israelites evolved? Surely you're not applying later moral teachings and ideas to a previous event? You might as well start applying modern laws to ancient peoples.

The Exile changed things forever.

You're quoting verses out of context without a full realization of WHY Ezekiel was saying these things....
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Old 10-23-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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Tonight there is the movie on Saturday Night at the Movies: A Man for all Seasons. God's free will is also about the politics of the people's wishes in the folly of weddings' light in the Seasons of the Year. The King must either choose from religious authority or from the suitably judged Will in the People. We are constantly watching how the seasons are relative in this Measure by God. No? Are the people in spite of that condemned to love each other forever, or feel marked by the seasons to Love by the changing and so forth adjusted economy and culture.Is the Right God? or are the people allowed to consideration of politics that is agreeable for all it's discrepancies and contradictions.
I have no idea what you said.

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DL
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Old 10-23-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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This was a later teaching - in reaction to the corporate punishment you find in earlier books - you'll find in the Torah an entirely different teaching from the prophets. Seeing as the story of Noah's Flood is contained in the Torah, and not in Ezekiel- well...
You do realize that the religion of the Israelites evolved? Surely you're not applying later moral teachings and ideas to a previous event? You might as well start applying modern laws to ancient peoples.

The Exile changed things forever.

You're quoting verses out of context without a full realization of WHY Ezekiel was saying these things....
That would all be speculative nonsense.
I see the good morality of that quote and just think it is good justice.

We already know that much of scripture is forged and that none should be read literally.

BTW. There was no Exile. Unless you believe that staffs can turn into snakes and a genocidal maniac of a God.

Listen to the language used here-----


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

Regards
DL
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