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Old 10-15-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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He wouldn't be much of a god if his own laws were so powerful and binding that they applied to himself, without the possibility of him ever breaking or amending them.

I don't agree with some of the genocides reported in the Bible, but it's not as if the Israelites were the only ones doing such a thing back then. Again - applying modern morals on an ancient text doesn't invalidate that text.
I see.
So a good and just law maker does not have to follow his own good laws and advice. Ok.

See ya.

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DL
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Old 10-15-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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These people were pure evil and were teaching their children the same. They had continually rejected God. The sealed their own fate, and the fate of their children.
And you think that there is good justice is punishing children for what their parents do.
O k.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

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Old 10-15-2011, 07:05 PM
 
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Let's clear a few things up. The Bible teaches that God is Jesus and Jesus is God. Yes Jesus is also a man, but He is also the Son of God, that is God himself. So the same God who condemned Sodom and Gemorrah, and caused the flood, and killed all the first born in Egypt, etc, is also the same God who tells us to love our neighbor as ourselves. But God's/love is greater still because He offers Himself as a sacrifice for the sins of the whole world and offers to forgive all sins to anyone who repents of their sins, asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in God above all things.

God is God. He can create life, judge people and condemn them. It is his to judge, not ours. We are the creature, He is the Creator. Jesus is also God, and many times warned of the coming judgment upon all who do not worship the true God, FAther Son and Holy Spirit.
What a fascinating and fantastical belief system.

It doesn't make any sense to me, but I am enthralled by supernatural mysteries of of it. It's almost as good as some fantasy/science fiction out there. Now I'm beginning to understand why some people are into it the way other people are into Harry Potter or Vampires.
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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I see.
So a good and just law maker does not have to follow his own good laws and advice. Ok.

See ya.

Regards
DL

If a King makes a law requiring women to undergo yearly breast cancer exams - should the King have to follow that same 'law'?
A parent tells a child to be home by 9 PM - does the same 'law' apply to a parent?
Of course not....

Stop being silly with your logic. IF GOD exists, he certainly didn't make laws because he saw HIMSELF as the problem heh heh! See what I'm saying? Or you just gonna be angry man again? And don't assume I'm a Christian, please, because I don't automatically share your intense hatred for Christianity and a God you don't even believe exists lol!
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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And you think that there is good justice is punishing children for what their parents do.
O k.



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DL
And the children would have done. The parents doomed their own children.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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If a King makes a law requiring women to undergo yearly breast cancer exams - should the King have to follow that same 'law'?
A parent tells a child to be home by 9 PM - does the same 'law' apply to a parent?
Of course not....

Stop being silly with your logic. IF GOD exists, he certainly didn't make laws because he saw HIMSELF as the problem heh heh! See what I'm saying? Or you just gonna be angry man again? And don't assume I'm a Christian, please, because I don't automatically share your intense hatred for Christianity and a God you don't even believe exists lol!
In your scenario, is the king a queen?
If so she should lead by example. That is what God is supposed to do.

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DL
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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And the children would have done. The parents doomed their own children.
Nothing like killing sinners before they sin.

Good justice that.

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Old 10-16-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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In your scenario, is the king a queen?
If so she should lead by example. That is what God is supposed to do.

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DL

Well - guess what? In my scenario - the King is NOT a Queen.
The King is not even a woman - and women are the subjects of the law made by the King.
That's the whole point. It's not hypocrisy on the part of God.

I think I was pretty clear on that, right?
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Nothing like killing sinners before they sin.

Good justice that.

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DL

I agree - children should not be punished for the crimes of their parents.
I assume you're referencing Original Sin - the concept that was a later Christian and Augustianian development, and can not be found anywhere in the Hebrew Bible?

Now, in the Hebrew Bible - we DO find many instances in which a child is punished for the sins of the parents, but this is because back in the Ancient Near East the family was considered a single unit, or entity. They didn't have ideas of extreme individualism that mark our modern age. So one way of looking at it contextually is "the Smith family committed a wrong and must pay" - even if it was little Billy, or Grandpa Joe. I don't like this idea, but this was another time and another place and another people.

That having been said - some of the later prophets (philosophizing during the Exile) put forth the idea that children should not be punished for the sins of their parents. This was an attempt to remove the guilt that Mannaseh had brought upon Judah by his sins (and thus resulted in the Exile - according to the Biblical books), and allow the exiled Israelites to have a glimmer of hope. The hope was that if they were good, then corporate responsibility and punishment would no longer apply to them, and they would be judged as individuals. This Exilic belief became a popular one. No longer, the prophets said, should a family's children be punished to the 7th generation because of something Papa Joe did.

But then the Christians went and ruined it all with their doctrine of Original Sin - which is not found in the Hebrew Bible, and actually goes against everything the Hebrew Bible eventually said about corporate responsibility and punishment.
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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Well - guess what? In my scenario - the King is NOT a Queen.
The King is not even a woman - and women are the subjects of the law made by the King.
That's the whole point. It's not hypocrisy on the part of God.

I think I was pretty clear on that, right?
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To you, a king that has a law that says do not steal is saying that no one can steal except for the king.

Enjoy living under that king.

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DL

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