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Old 10-16-2011, 04:11 PM
 
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If I were in a foxhole and invoked the name of god, it would be "what gawd-damned idiot started this war over the raging stupidity of gods?"
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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I can only answer for myself...I have MUCH less stress since I was "saved"....for some reason it seemed that the weight of the world's problems and everyday life were instantly removed from my shoulders when I accepted Christ as my Saviour...I still sweat the really small things occasionally,but the big ones do not bother me now...sickness,death,dying etc hold zero fear for me now.
It's called self-delusion; nothing has changed, you simply occupy your throughts with delusional thoughts, vs. facing reality head on.
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Yup, avoiding reality ( putting your problems in god's hands ) is a great way to avoid stress, but you are deluding yourself. Reality still remains and will eventually kick you in the butt...
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Old 10-16-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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As atheists, they would not have to worry much. They can do what they please. Wouldn't that mean, they are less stressed than christians? Christians are worried about doing what's right and maintaining a good lifestyle, it can be stressful (emotionally).
Geez, if we are - then I really should never become Christian! I stress out about things way too easily as it is!
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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I'm not self-threatening by believing in the absurd threats of ancient superstition, yet many a fool has tried to convenience me that I should.
You are self-harming by consuming yourself in fighting against the beliefs of others. I understand that the way some view God is screwed up, but some views we all have are screwed up. Nobody's perfect - including you. If you're going to fight - fight for something, not against something. What have you got in exchange for the hope that many find in believing in a higher power?

BTW - I'd still like a personal response of what you think of....
People believe in God... For the same reason you choose to pretend along with a fantasy novel, or film... or you choose to take an "escape" vacation.

Why define God as an unpleasant, spiteful, vengeful, egomaniac burden?
I agree that as we imagine, or think of God... so God seems to be.
So why not imagine God to be something positive - like "the force" that inspires people to go beyond their normal "goodness"?
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...I was sent to a parochial school, for the education, and did hear all the fairy tales, and even then recognizing how absurd all of religion and it's deities are.
So, your parents sent you to a parochial school - that explains some things.

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Old 10-16-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Raghunathan's article provides his personal opinions without going through the pesky exercise of providing supporting evidence. He declares that atheism is "a luxury" that results from having a "comfortable life."
Yeah, it's his oppinion. So, are most posts on this forum not oppinion?
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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That very first link points out that "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism, not meant to be taken as an absolute. Besides, he did also say "generally", also saying it's not taken to be an absolute. All it means is that during times of stress or fear, people turn to God more than they would during times of calm and peace.

Personally, I do agree that a "hard atheist" would still be an atheist if he was in a foxhole, literally or metaphorically. But I also think that many "soft atheists" or agnostics would turn to God in such situations, though there's also the possibility that they'd turn away from God, blaming Him for their situation. Though I think "turning to" is more common in these situations than "turning from". I could be wrong.
Good points.
It all depends on attitude - both for Atheists & Christians.
If a Christian focuses on & finds comfort & inspiration in the core doctrine - "the greatest of all commandments... to love God & others as oneself" - then I'd consider their approach less stressful.
If one finds comfort & inspiration in considering others' views & then spending their precious time rejecting them... so be it. But I admit, I find it difficult to understand how one could focus so much energy hypocritically fighting against illusion, & not be stressed.
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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You are self-harming by consuming yourself in fighting against the beliefs of others.
It's called self-defense against the willful stupidity of others. I don't care what you believe or don't UNTIL you decide that the absurdities of your belief should impact my life in any.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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It's called self-delusion; nothing has changed, you simply occupy your throughts with delusional thoughts, vs. facing reality head on.
I'll take it then and so will the folks around me...if it's delusional or not,the reality is I'm a lot nicer to others than I was before
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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No, you can't.
The Romans kept very good records.
For an ancient people, but really I'm not sure there's evidence they were that much better at keeping records than the Chinese. Maybe no better. And the Han Dynasty's descriptions of peasant religious movements, the Han being contemporaneous to this era of *Rome, are sometimes meager or confused.

Do you think the "Romans kept very good records" of non-militaristic religious movements of colonized people? If so support the claim, don't just assert as an "everyone knows" affair.

*Technically Jesus's life is more within the relatively brief period called the Xin or the "Wang Mang Usurpation" that breaks up the Han into two dynasties. However the Chinese society of the first c. AD is essentially Han. Wang Mang is kind of a fascinating figure, but more appropriate to the history section. I may do that.
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