abortion ? (evolution, service, religion, religions)

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by CelticLady1

I used to be staunchly pro-life/anti-abortion, ('though I don't really like those labels, but it merely points out how fundamentalist I once was), but like you, I have come to different conclusions. Life, indeed, is not black and white, as much as we might like it to be. Answers are not always all that simple.

Case in point: a few years ago, in CA, there was a young expectant mother, who was in a coma. Her doctors told the husband that the only way to save her life, and hopefully to bring her out of the coma, was to terminate the pregnancy. This poor man had to make a horrible decision. However, the media got ahold of the story, and the next thing you know, this husband was literally fighting off the pro-lifers, who went to the extreme of wanting to have guardianship of this lady, simply to halt the abortion. If I recall correctly, he finally was able to do as the doctors recommended, (though I don't recall what the final outcome was, as far as the young lady was concerned).

All I could think of, as this drama was playing out was, how would I have felt if that had been my daughter? How would my husband have felt, if it had been me? What right did these people have, no matter how staunch their beliefs, to interfere in someone else's life? My conclusion: they didn't have that right. If I would not want government or religious groups to interfere in a painful, private decision, that should only involve one's doctor and family, then what right do I have to do the same to someone else? Ultimately, each person will have to stand in front of their Creator, and answer for themselves, as to whether they did the right thing or not. That should be enough. There is no reason for me to be judge and jury.

If the abortion would save her life I would be for the abortion, but I am confused as to how killing the child would have any affect on her comatose brain.

I have also heard stories about a young pregnant woman who was in a coma.
The parents of the woman wanted to keep her alive until the baby was born, and then they were willing to let her go, and they wanted to raise the baby. The feminist in Germany (where I lived at the time) started pitching a fit saying they had turned her into nothing more than a baby making machine, and that it was wrong to make the woman live long enough to deliver the child. The protesters around the hospital were truly pro-abortionist.
Unfortunately back then they just did not have the capability to help the woman live the amount of time necessary for the child to survive.

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by HIF

You state this as fact, when that is simply not factual.

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[wzippler]

Originally Posted by CelticLady1

Absolutely not, for then we would have our daughters, granddaughters, nieces, etc., going for "back alley" abortions. I can't fathom how this is any better of a solution, or supporting of life. And, who should decide who is allowed an abortion, and for what reason? Do we really want clergy and politicians making these decisions for our families and friends? Which one of us feels qualified to meddle in someone else's personal and painful decision-making, when it comes right down to it?

People are currently buying illegal drugs from back alleys, would the situation get any better if you could buy crack cocaine from your local pharmacist?
No things would get worse because the drugs would be more readily available.

I know a woman who has had so many abortions that planned parenthood knew her on a first name basis. The last abortion she had almost killed her (severe vaginal hemorrhage) the child had gestated for at least seven months. None of the children were deformed, none of them were a product of rape, she just didn't want the responsibility of taking care of kids.

[Magnolia Bloom]

Originally Posted by wzippler

People are currently buying illegal drugs from back alleys, would the situation get any better if you could buy crack cocaine from your local pharmacist?
No things would get worse because the drugs would be more readily available.

I know a woman who has had so many abortions that planned parenthood knew her on a first name basis. The last abortion she had almost killed her (severe vaginal hemorrhage) the child had gestated for at least seven months. None of the children were deformed, none of them were a product of rape, she just didn't want the responsibility of taking care of kids.

Which Planned Parenthood was it?

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by akm4

No matter how strongly I feel about this subject, I just can't post some flippant remark to bolster my viewpoint. I truly wish there would never be another abortion performed, anywhere, but that's just not reality. No one is perfect.

The bottom line is, unless I am willing to care for all the unwanted babies in the world, I must vote to keep abortion safe and legal.

Are you willing to support all the unwanted already born people on the earth?
Of course not maybe one or two, but no one can support them all. But that doesn't mean we should make it legal to abort already born people.
The age of the person should make no difference when it comes to having a right to live.


The fact is I was an unwanted child of a mother who became pro-abortion after it became legal, if I had of been conceived after 1972 I would be dead. My childhood stunk, but at least I wasn't killed.

My husband was an unwanted child of a mother who is pro-choice but again was born before Roe vrs Wade so my husband's life was spared. I have a beautiful very wanted daughter that would have never been born had pro-choicers had their way before I was born. As someone who is glad to be alive , glad to have a husband that has loved me for over seventeen years, and glad to have a child I have to disagree.
I could never vote for the death of someone just like me, or my husband.

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by HIF

Which Planned Parenthood was it?

One in Atlanta. I have never been to Atlanta longer then it took to drive through so I am not sure where it was. I just know what her husband said why?

[Magnolia Bloom]

Originally Posted by wzippler

One in Atlanta. I have never been to Atlanta longer then it took to drive through so I am not sure where it was. I just know what her husband said why?

Because I am not aware of any Planned Parenthoods that perform third trimester abortions.

[MTbound]

HIF - you are correct. Planned Parenthood does not terminate pregnancies in the 3rd trimester.

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by MTbound

HIF - you are correct. Planned Parenthood does not terminate pregnancies in the 3rd trimester.

All I know is that she went to her normal place in Augusta and they told them to go to Atlanta, she was showing when she left and a week later she wasn't showing. Her husband was out of work for several days taking care of his wife who had to go to the hospital because they were convinced she was dying. Maybe it was anouther type clinic she went to. I was to upset at the fact she had ANOUTHER abortion to talk about it. There was no way I could have been civil so I left the room.
Some times you have to just walk away.

[alias]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

Nice try citigirl, but we're talking about actual definitions... and I'm sorry if you can't understand the differences, but they are real - not just a PC thing. Oh, and do you really want me to post pictures of an anti-abortion rally?? I would post them now, but the images are usually unfit for a public forum.

You know, I think your comments are pretty harsh, considering you're a moderator. I think you're being a bit unfair to citigirl.