Homosexuality could be nature's way of population control (believe, exist, anti-gay)

[Fiyero]

Originally Posted by Theophane

...but we're not animals. We are a higher order of life. We are builders of cities and users of the Internet. We wear clothes. We make things in our own image.

How does building things make us not animals? Having evolved superior intelligence is what allows us to accomplish those things. Doesn't make us any less animals.

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

Evidence shows being gay IS a choice, more linked to environmental influences than to biology...

The Born "Gay" Hoax |
http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
http://journalseek.net/cgi-bin/journ...uery=0004-0002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts
This happens to people who choose heterosexual practices too, which again supports evidence that homosexual preferences are more based on environmental influences than anything else.

What does this wildly incorrect misinformation from anti-gay hate websites have to do with the OP?

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

I base my ideas about homosexuality on logic, not on scripture.

No, your ideas are apparently from anti-gay hate websites like those you linked to. Again what does this have to do with the OP?

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

We know, from statistics at US Center for Disease Control, that homosexuals change partners more often than heterosexual couples do & spread STDs & AIDS at a much greater rate.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf (broken link)
CDC - Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Gay and Bisexual Men's Health

No. Your links to the articles on the CDC website DO NOT say what you claim at all. You are misrepresenting the articles.
What does your post have to do with the OP's statement that homosexuality could be nature's way of population control?

Gays and lesbians don't tend to have as many children as heterosexuals- true. They also don't tend to have as many abortions as heterosexuals.

Perhaps all those millions of miscarriages every year from unprotected heterosexual sex is more nature's way of population control?

And all those millions of abortions each year after unprotected, irresponsible sex by heterosexuals is more man's way of population control?

[squall-lionheart]

Originally Posted by gsoboi78

Some scientists now believe that homosexuality is nature's way of population control. Homosexual behavior exists in every animal species and studies show that homosexual behavior peak in over populated species. Population control is important because there has to be a balance in the food chain. Otherwise it would lead to extinction of many species. There are certain breeds of south american frogs that can change sex in a male/female dominated environment. In nature there is a reason and function for everything and that includes homosexuality among all animal species. God does not make mistakes. If all the gay people since the beginning of mankind were straight, the world may have 3 to 5 times as many people today. This planet would be overcrowded and humans would use more of the earth's resources due to population. That would lead to further extinctions and there would be more famine. The fact is that we need gay people for our survival. So to people who say its not natural, that might not entirely be true.

medical evidence that shows being gay isn't a choice.

What the Gay Brain Looks Like - TIME

Brain responses differ in gay, straight men - Health - Sexual health - msnbc.com

In addition Scientists have discovered that a developing male inside a woman that is exposed to too many female hormones has a higher chance of being gay. Hormones do affect the development and structure of the brain.

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Its very similar as to how our brain interprets the taste of food. One person may like carrots and another person may find carrots disgusting and can't figure out how people can like them. (one man may be attracted to another man. Another man may not be attracted to other men) Its not a matter of choice whether or not you like carrots.

Many use the bible to condemn homosexuals but its more like twisting scripture. No where in the Bible does Jesus condemn homosexuality. Why is that? Jesus does condemn liars, thieves and adulterers. Ironically our preachers spend more time condemning homosexuals than liars, thieves and adulterers. They talk about "protecting marriage" but all the talk is about gay marriage and nothing is said about divorce and other non traditional structures of the family. The book of Leviticus does say homosexuality is an abomination but so is eating shell fish. Leviticus also says its okay to own slaves. (Scripture in Leviticus was used to condone U.S. slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries) Not only was Leviticus written by MAN but the laws in Leviticus were created by MAN. Just like when the Catholic Church say its a sin to use a condom. I'm sure 2,000 years from people will be believing God said its a sin to wear condoms. The only "God laws" are the Ten Commandments and there is nothing about homosexuality in the Ten Commandments. You would think if it were this big great sin it would be in the Ten Commandments and the number one law. Christians already break one Ten Commandment in all the churches. Thou shall not worship graven images and thats exactly what the cross is. Religion is a double edge sword. It can enlighten people but at the same time it can lead people to blindly think in ignorance. In the end its not about the religion itself, its about your connection with God, your faith in him, where your heart is and your good deeds to others on earth. God loves EVERYONE and he expects us to do the same.

Suicide may also be nature's way of population control

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Humans are *not* animals. Animals are sinless.

Yet in the Biblical great flood story, the OT God killed off all those millions and millions of poor sinless animals.

[SuperSoul]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

Supersoul, I'm sorry but that's a ****ed up response.

Ironically, your response speaks for itself.
Hint: When debating, if you want to get your point across & look like you might know something, MAKE A POINT, don't just point AT SOMEONE or what they wrote without MAKING A POINT as to WHY you disagree.

[SuperSoul]

Originally Posted by Jaymax

What does this wildly incorrect misinformation from anti-gay hate websites have to do with the OP?

No, your ideas are apparently from anti-gay hate websites like those you linked to. Again what does this have to do with the OP?


No. Your links to the articles on the CDC website DO NOT say what you claim at all. You are misrepresenting the articles.
What does your post have to do with the OP's statement that homosexuality could be nature's way of population control?

Gays and lesbians don't tend to have as many children as heterosexuals- true. They also don't tend to have as many abortions as heterosexuals.

Perhaps all those millions of miscarriages every year from unprotected heterosexual sex is more nature's way of population control?

And all those millions of abortions each year after unprotected, irresponsible sex by heterosexuals is more man's way of population control?

Jaymax,
Do you know why I ignored your post on the other thread?
And do you know why a moderator deleted your post in this one?

It may be your apparent lack of ability to debate without calling names... or one of the other attempts, often used by those who support homosexual practices, to attack a person instead of expaining WHY they, themselves believe as they do...


1. The "Whoah is me" - pity card is played, acting as if homosexuals are being harassed, even when they aren't.

2. They demand that others support them impulsively acting on their thought-produced feelings. Statistics clearly indicate homosexuals change partners frequently so are more likely to contract & spread AIDS & STDs, yet they will look the other way regarding dangerous sex practices & persuade others to think being loving is going along with what others want, not what is best.

3. They want "equal rights' yet deny others rights to free speech, & respect of significant religious beliefs.

4. They call others names, like homophobic, simply for objecting to harmful behavior statisitcally displayed prominantly by homosexuals, even when one has repeated they love & do not fear family & friends with homosexual preferences.

5. They accuse others of being "closet" homosexuals for opposing homosexuality.

6. They claim babies are born with the preference to have sex with someone of the same sex, when babies brains are only 25% developed, waiting for environmental influences to help complete development.

7. They claim that if animals do it, it's natural & acceptable for humans, when most regard animalistic behavior as uncivil, considering some eat their young & hump anything.

8. They compare human consciousness with animal consciousness.

9. They deny psychological & environmental influences.

10. They believe that children & parents should have no choice but for schools to teach children about homosexuality. They believe that vulnerable children should be instructed & sometimes encouraged in anatomically unnatural sexual practices.

11. They insist others believe their beliefs & if they don't, they will try to hurt them by calling names, or even hurting them financially, legally or in their career.

12. They will make ridiculous comparisons, again trying to get pity. They will try to compare homosexuals with African American persecution, or as mentioned - comparison with animals. Some will try to compare the risky sexual behavior of homosexuals with heterosexual teen pregnancy.

13. They will play the pity card often...Also refered to as positive discrimination. They point to a personal trait (ie homosexuality) which somehow justifies their actions or inability to do something they'd ordinarily be expected to do (like behave responsibly sexually). They use guilt-trips when others state something they get offended by, in hopes they take it back.
What they don't realize, is this behavior often enforced negative stereotypes & hurts those who want to be treated like normal human beings.

14. They blame others. They may even blame those who oppose homosexual risky behavior, for the consequences of the risky behavior of homosexuals. They also may blame those who oppose homosexual harmful behavior of hating people, even when they have repeated they love people & hate harmful behavior.

[SuperSoul]

IF... we were to accept as some in this thread are arguing... that homosexuality ("sexual relations with persons of the same sex") is nature's doing, why don't we just blame all behavior on nature? If it is accepted that one can't help how they act, they were just "born" that way... what does that imply for those with other sexual deviations?

"Recent changes in the APA's diagnostic manual may have encouraged pedophile advocates."
The APA's and the Pedophilia Controversy

"The Movement to Legitimize Pedophilia

In 1981, Dr. Theo Sandfort, co-director of the research program of the Department of Gay and Lesbian Studies at the University of Utrecht, Netherlands, interviewed 25 boys aged 10 to 16 who were currently involved in sexual relationships with adult men. The interviews took place in the homes of the men. According to Sandfort, "For virtually all the boys ... the sexual contact itself was experienced positively..." Could an adult-child sexual contact, then, truly be called positive for the child? Based on the research presented, Sandfort answered that question in the affirmative."
On the Pedophilia Issue: What the APA Should Have Known

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by Theophane

...but we're not animals. We are a higher order of life. We are builders of cities and users of the Internet. We wear clothes. We make things in our own image.

So we are intelligent animals. So what? What does that prove?

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

Are you serious? You really need me to explain this?
Ok...
Dictionary definition of human being: a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

When you go to the zoo, who is on the outside of the cages?
Who is it that is able to think through consequences instead of act impulsively? (Although, unfortunately, this ability isn't always utilized.)
Us human beings!

None of this is factual or scientific proof to back up your claim that humans are somehow distunguished from animals.

[SuperSoul]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

So we are intelligent animals. So what? What does that prove?

You typing those words explains it... the ability to use your brain to not only speak & understand language, but also to place FAITH in language to capture the essence of your perception of current reality, as well as your feelings about past events & future possible consequences.

None of this is factual or scientific proof to back up your claim that humans are somehow distunguished from animals.

Those words... "None of this..." have absolutely no factual or scientific proof to back up your claim.
So where does that leave us?
I'll tell you one place it leaves us... on the outside of cages at the zoo.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by SuperSoul

You typing those words explains it... the ability to use your brain to not only speak & understand language, but also to place FAITH in language to capture the essence of your perception of current reality, as well as your feelings about past events & future possible consequences.

Those words... "None of this..." have absolutely no factual or scientific proof to back up your claim.
So where does that leave us?
I'll tell you one place it leaves us... on the outside of cages at the zoo.

So we have the ability to dominate { or "have dominion over" for the religious folks } other animals....... is a lowly spider not doing the exact same thing when he catches an unsuspecting bug in his web while flying through the air?