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I was very pro-abortion when I was young and could bear children but after my daughter having to have a medical abortion because the baby died in the womb, the thought of abortion makes me ill. I would never deny a woman to the choice of having an abortion and I believe, still, that women have that right, but I just am so saddened by abortion now. I miscarried a baby and was okay after but my daughter having to have a medical abortion was one of the hardest things I have had to deal with. Funny, daughter was coping better than Nana was. The doctor sent home books that dealt with that and I was glad to see I wasn't the only grandparent who had moured.
Now I think abortion is the last resort a woman should take but it is between her and her conscienous (sp). I would never deny a woman to have one.
You must value convenience a lot, since you seem to support 93% of abortions - mothers killing their babies - for the reason their lack of proper birth control resulted in a pregnancy & is "inconvenient" for them.
lol You were blaming God - surely you must have some reason to put the blame on God. Otherwise, why would you? At least I recognize that God is often used as an illusional coping strategy - ie "BLAME."
I consider God to be about GOoD... What is good? Is it good to kill a baby that is growing - or is it good to honor & nurture life?
What about you, Annie?
Do you honor & nurture your life? Or do you seek to kill it?
I do not blame "God" because I do not believe in gods. It is the people who do believe in "God" that use him as a crutch to help them deal with life.
People who do believe in "God" cherrypick what they choose to believe. They mold him to conveniently explain away things in life they cannot deal with on their own. They mold him to conveniently back up their personal views on life.
Do I honor and nurture my life? Of course I do. My life is more important than an organism that isn't even capable of thinking or feeling.
Pregnancy is hardly an "inconvieniance". It is a major, life changing, body changing event.....that no one should be forced into against their will.
Why should I suffer permanent, unwanted changes to my body, or suffer life-threatening complications and even death, suffer financially.....just because of a BC failure? Why should I allow some unthinking, unfeeling organism to turn my life upside down? Who is going to take care of me and pay my bills when I can no longer work because of a pregnancy? Who is going to mow the yard and shovel the snow and carry in 40 lb. containers of cat litter, etc. for me? Who is going to take care of me when I am disabled because of a pregnancy? No one, that is who.
Pregnancy isn't a mere inconvenience.....it is a horrible burden......a life threatening burden.
Children should be brought into this world because they are going to be loved and wanted......not because they are a mistake that is going to be looked upon as an unwanted burden.
It is a poverty that to decide that A CHILD MUST DIE so that you may live as you wish.
--Mother Teresa of Calcutta
"Abortion is inherently different from other medical procedures because no other procedure involves the purposeful termination of a potential life." - Potter Stewart
Apologies if this has been asked before SuperSoul, but rather than make me read through 12 pages, would you answer, please?
Are there any circumstances when you do condone abortion?
If so, what are they?
Same people who are for the death penalty for criminals of various stripes support forcing women to carry fetuses to term because they think they can decide for those women.
I actually think this is a very relevant point. How can anyone call themselves pro-life if they support the death penalty and war? That is NOT the definition of pro-life. They use the title to make themselves feel superior. What they are is anti-abortion. Anyone who is against abortion, the death penalty and war is pro-life but just human life unless they are vegetarian. I won't get into the whole plants being alive thing. Philosophically, it's just not as simple as some people try to make it, and I'm glad you brought up the point.
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Have any of you read The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood?
For the record, I believe in a woman's right to choose, however, I believe her right to choose begins with the act that creates the pregnancy. So many woman want to talk about their right to make a choice but then don't want to take responsibility for the choices that they do make. If she choose to engage in the act that got her pregnant, than she had a choice in the matter. I know there are always extenuating circumstances, but we as a society really need to start looking at what stage we start examining and taking seriously the choices we make in life.
What I find repugnant is men who rabidly protest abortion rights . . . I wonder about their motivations . . . live, and let live and keep your nose out of other people's business.
In the end, it is a highly personal decision that a WOMAN will make regarding who takes up residence in HER body.
Edit: And the phrase "live and let live" is meant partially tongue-in-cheek, and partially as a statement about independent viability.
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I do not blame "God" because I do not believe in gods. It is the people who do believe in "God" that use him as a crutch to help them deal with life.
People who do believe in "God" cherrypick what they choose to believe. They mold him to conveniently explain away things in life they cannot deal with on their own. They mold him to conveniently back up their personal views on life.
You know, disrespecting others, making fun of them for their beliefs is against forum rules.
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Do I honor and nurture my life? Of course I do. My life is more important than an organism that isn't even capable of thinking or feeling.
Stop trying to justfy killing a human life...
Stages of human development in the womb:
18 days - heart begins to beat.
21 days - pumps own blood through separate closed circulatory system with own blood type.
28 days - eye, ear and respiratory system begin to form.
42 days - brain waves recorded, skeleton complete, reflexes present.
7 weeks - photo of thumbsucking, pain sensors are evident
8 weeks - all body systems present.
9 weeks - squints, swallows, moves tongue, makes fist.
11 weeks - spontaneous breathing movements, has fingernails, all body systems working.
16 weeks - genital organs clearly differentiated, grasps with hands, swims, kicks, turns, somersaults, (still not felt by the mother.)
18 weeks - vocal cords work – can cry.
Furthermore, Chairman of the Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, said: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."
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Pregnancy is hardly an "inconvieniance". It is a major, life changing, body changing event.....that no one should be forced into against their will.
A baby should not be forced to die because of a mother/father's lack of humane birth control.
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Why should I suffer permanent, unwanted changes to my body, or suffer life-threatening complications and even death, suffer financially.....just because of a BC failure? Why should I allow some unthinking, unfeeling organism to turn my life upside down? Who is going to take care of me and pay my bills when I can no longer work because of a pregnancy? Who is going to mow the yard and shovel the snow and carry in 40 lb. containers of cat litter, etc. for me? Who is going to take care of me when I am disabled because of a pregnancy?
You should've considered that when engaging in sex - the only 100% guaranteed birth control is ABSTINENCE. If you're not ready to get pregnant & morally handle it, then don't have sex.
It's not the baby's fault - so don't kill it.
If you saw all the 42,000,000 dead baby bodies killed by abortion each year, stacked up like holocaust victims - maybe then you'd realize what a sick trend this is.
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Pregnancy isn't a mere inconvenience.....it is a horrible burden......a life threatening burden.
So, you kill another life because of a burden caused by irresponsibility?
Do you realize how dysfunctional that thinking is?
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Children should be brought into this world because they are going to be loved and wanted......not because they are a mistake that is going to be looked upon as an unwanted burden.
You can't force love.
Indeed. That is why many mothers give their baby the gift of BOTH LIFE & ADOPTION. There are many parents on waiting lists to adopt a baby.
Apologies if this has been asked before SuperSoul, but rather than make me read through 12 pages, would you answer, please?
Are there any circumstances when you do condone abortion?
If so, what are they?
If there are medical risks to the mother's life, if she were to continue the pregnancy, then abortion may be necessary.
If a woman becomes pregnant by rape or incest, maybe also - however, some women would never have their baby killed - even then.
Oldcold, the distrubing aspect of abortion statistics - is that these cases which I'd consider abortion acceptable - only account for 7% of abortions performed.
93% of killing by abortion are because of inconvenient & unwanted pregnancy - irresponsible birth control by killing.
As Woodrow mentioned, what's most needed to solve this, is for people, starting as teens, to learn responsible sexual behavior.
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