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Old 11-22-2011, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Actually god claims nothing, but what man claims about god.

But History can be a lot of God claiming something about the people. What are the people? the question begs the answer in organized truth-seeking, and the answer lies within. Is allah within or without? ... on the fake representations of others always better than 'I am'.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Not really. Most people in the USA are logical thinkers. The majority of the population in the USA is religious.

Religious faith is not a rational decision. Logic would reject it. Children are routinely force fed religion from their parents as tradition. I know - that was true in my family, as well.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Religious faith is not a rational decision. Logic would reject it. Children are routinely force fed religion from their parents as tradition. I know - that was true in my family, as well.
Not rational based on what? Evidence, empirical data, proof, or just opinion? You are making a claim that religious belief isn't rational, you now have the burden of proof for this claim.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:21 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Not rational based on what? Evidence, empirical data, proof, or just opinion? You are making a claim that religious belief isn't rational, you now have the burden of proof for this claim.
You're wrong again. The person taking the negative position is not the one that needs to offer proof. Note that the word "isn't" is a negative.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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You're wrong again. The person taking the negative position is not the one that needs to offer proof. Note that the word "isn't" is a negative.

Doesn't offer proof and under the French System of justice he is already guilty.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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You're wrong again. The person taking the negative position is not the one that needs to offer proof. Note that the word "isn't" is a negative.
Do I really need to do the whole gravity doesn't exist thing again? The correct wording (grammar) of the post should have been religious faith is a irrational decision. This is a positive claim. Saying it the way they did does not excuse them from making a positive claim without proper grammar.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Not rational based on what? Evidence, empirical data, proof, or just opinion?
I'd say based on logic and common sense...Religion is no more rational than the story of Alice in wonderland, or the flying spaghetti monster.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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I'd say based on logic and common sense...Religion is no more rational than the story of Alice in wonderland, or the flying spaghetti monster.
Accept that those stories were written to be stories and do not compare to religious beliefs. You mean opinion logic and common sense as long as it is common to you.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Accept that those stories were written to be stories and do not compare to religious beliefs. You mean opinion logic and common sense as long as it is common to you.
Religious stories are no different....They are just stories written long ago...
Would you say that the religions predating the Abrahamic religions are reasonable and logical or not? Please explain your answer.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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Religious stories are no different....They are just stories written long ago...
Would you say that the religions predating the Abrahamic religions are reasonable and logical or not? Please explain your answer.
Yes. As to justify(reason) a belief in these religions is if a person can feels that to be their religion, then that is their religion.

Who is to say these religions are wrong. If you read the bible, even it makes reference to more than one god:

Exodus, Chapter 20, Verse 3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Doesn't really make sense if there isn't other gods.

Genesis 1 Verse 26: "Then god said, 'Let us make a man --Someone like ourselves, to be the master of all life upon earth and in the skies and in the seas.

There are more references to there being more than one God. Until we know for sure, people should believe in what they want to as long as it doesn't lead to harm. And harm, does not apply if it just makes you uncomfortable.
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