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Atheists and theists both want their speculations pandered to as if real, both are without evidence to prove either standpoint. Atheism(in the argument of god) is not the standpoint of "I don't know." It is the standpoint of "NO." agnosticism is the standpoint of "I don't know." Theism is the standpoint of, "Yes."
Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. I don't know if any gods exist (agnostic), and I don't have any beliefs in any gods either (atheist).
Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. I don't know if any gods exist (agnostic), and I don't have any beliefs in any gods either (atheist).
Never said they were. Technically someone could be a mix of all three. You could claim to be a believe in one god (theist),not know for sure if more gods exist (agnostic), and not have a belief in other gods (atheist).
I fail to see how this pertains to anything we are discussing. All I am saying is that when you are born you are born as default (not knowing). Since you cannot believe or disbelieve what you have no knowledge of, you are born not knowing (agnostic).
The default position is agnosticism or to say, I don't know. So if you tip the scale in either direction, the onus is on you to prove why you tipped the scale.
So to say something doesn't exist is also making a positive claim. The only standpoint that does is not required to prove anything is the default position of "I don't know."
Again, we're right back to the Loch Ness monster analogy. People would not scoff at you saying "The Loch Ness monster doesn't exist", due to a lack of evidence or belief. Yet, they would in regards to "God". Why? We can't *prove* that either don't actually exist.
Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. I don't know if any gods exist (agnostic), and I don't have any beliefs in any gods either (atheist).
Never said they were. Technically someone could be a mix of all three. You could claim to be a believe in one god (theist),not know for sure if more gods exist (agnostic), and not have a belief in other gods (atheist).
I fail to see how this pertains to anything we are discussing. All I am saying is that when you are born you are born as default (not knowing). Since you cannot believe or disbelieve what you have no knowledge of, you are born not knowing (agnostic).
Yes you did, or at least you wrote as if they were. Read your post I was responding to again.
Everyone is born an atheist because you don't have beliefs in gods until you first learn of them, and then are convinced.
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Originally Posted by Tantalust
But theists don't know if any gods exist either.
True but actually an agnostic is one who admits to not knowing.
Atheists and theists both want their speculations pandered to as if real, both are without evidence to prove either standpoint. Atheism(in the argument of god) is not the standpoint of "I don't know." It is the standpoint of "NO." agnosticism is the standpoint of "I don't know." Theism is the standpoint of, "Yes."
Wrong again...An atheist's statement of disbelief is just that. He is not saying that he knows a deity does not exist, but saying that he doesn't believe it does.
Wrong again...An atheist's statement of disbelief is just that. He is not saying that he knows a deity does not exist, but saying that he doesn't believe it does.
And thus, you have proved my point that we need to elaborate on what we say. If you say, " god does not exist." You are not saying,"I believe god does not exist."
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