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Old 11-25-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Far too many atheists come across proclaiming that No gods exist for me to buy this. If atheists held a gentlemanly position of lack of belief we wouln't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards theists found on this board .

Maybe we need books about culture and the establishment.
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Old 11-25-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Far too many atheists come across proclaiming that No gods exist for me to buy this. If atheists held a gentlemanly position of lack of belief we wouln't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards theists found on this board .
Far too many theists come across proclaiming that gods exist for me to buy this. If theists held a gentlemanly position of belief we wouldn't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards atheists found on this board.

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Old 11-25-2011, 09:13 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Far too many atheists come across proclaiming that No gods exist for me to buy this. If atheists held a gentlemanly position of lack of belief we wouln't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards theists found on this board .
'Come across' sounds like your take on it. Atheists will never get a fair deal from the 'take' that theists give them.

If atheists take the 'gentlemanly' lack of belief view (in fact, they do, whether they understand the logical position clearly or not) we would still be having the debate with theists who think that everyone ought to believe - and you are being ingenuous, at least, to pretend that isn't the case.
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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'Come across' sounds like your take on it. Atheists will never get a fair deal from the 'take' that theists give them.

If atheists take the 'gentlemanly' lack of belief view (in fact, they do, whether they understand the logical position clearly or not) we would still be having the debate with theists who think that everyone ought to believe - and you are being ingenuous, at least, to pretend that isn't the case.
.......or, even worse, that you don't believe yet because.
1: you haven't tried hard enough
2: god hasn't tapped you on the shoulder yet, but when he does, you will
3: you will on your deathbed
4: you don't really have to...god loves you anyway
5: down deep you do believe but you're just pissed off at him or religion or something and are denying it
and probably many more that we're told all the time.
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Atheists that are intelligent really have nothing against goodness and God - They just don't like religion. Most of the smart atheist that I know are good people - to bad that religion has given God a bad name ....in the over all - atheism is a religion - they are just as zealous as Chrisitian fundies..nothing worse than a Christian or atheist fanatic.
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Atheists that are intelligent really have nothing against goodness and God - They just don't like religion. Most of the smart atheist that I know are good people - to bad that religion has given God a bad name ....in the over all - atheism is a religion - they are just as zealous as Chrisitian fundies..nothing worse than a Christian or atheist fanatic.
Please explain to me what makes you think that atheism is a religion....This otta be good.
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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This OP is yet another effort, perhaps innocently enough, in the long and ongoing proposal to position atheism in the same dank, dark hole in which religion has buried itself, purposefully, over the years.
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Rflmn, I think you misunderstood my OP. I was saying that atheism was NOT a religion, only a disbelief in gods.
My apologies, ns! Yes, in fact I was referring to some of the following posts, as well as the argument trigger of the past claims to the effect that atheism is a religion.

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Far too many atheists come across proclaiming that No gods exist for me to buy this. If atheists held a gentlemanly position of lack of belief we wouln't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards theists found on this board .
Now, if theists wouldn't make such inflammatory, disrespectful and combative posts (like regularly telling us that we'd better believe or we'll be going to hell...) we'd have no reason to make such responses!

Don't tell me that the Christian polemic never mocks, disrespects or criticizes atheists. Because, yes; we will react, since, after all, we're right and you're wrong! Nyah nyah!
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Atheists that are intelligent really have nothing against goodness and God - They just don't like religion. Most of the smart atheist that I know are good people - to bad that religion has given God a bad name ....in the over all - atheism is a religion - they are just as zealous as Chrisitian fundies..nothing worse than a Christian or atheist fanatic.
The problem with religion is described clearly in the follow quote, and has been clearly exhibited clearly throughout history and still today on the evening news.



Nor is atheism a religion, religion is the belief in absurdity, atheism is based on reality. If I seem zealous in my opposition, it is a defense mechanism against the blind ignorance that perpetuates itself in the name of religion. These forums have really educated me in the astounding bronze age ignorance that still exists today perpetuated by religion.

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Old 11-25-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Default Come on. I see how you worked it out.

Local space: is that the same as the spaces of recorded events in time? If in religion you claim that belief is in absurdity then the subject needs the withdrawal into the reality inside you which cannot be judged at base absurd. If science is belief in reality then the subject needs reference to your belonging identity. Is this identity essential because of psychological stresses just awhile now attested to, or is this identity unessential and simply a political conflict of action? The recorded events in time in any case are, I believe you agree, put into question for inquiry; the experience of a doubt for an enjoyable trip to the pub or swimming pool is this a moral issue to understand that you are happier without stress?
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Far too many atheists come across proclaiming that No gods exist for me to buy this. If atheists held a gentlemanly position of lack of belief we wouln't be having all of the heated discussions with, and ridicule towards theists found on this board .
Some people who are atheists are just not nice people, just as some religious people are just not nice people.
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