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Old 12-05-2011, 06:13 AM
 
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I’m no Bible scholar by any stretch. I remember listening/reading about how the more fortunate should help the poor with food, clothing, and other necessities. And I try. But isn’t it also written (it seems it is right after Jesus tells us to help them) that the poor should not depend on it and do something about their plight. I’m not sure where it is in the Bible though. Can someone help me find the passage, please? I spent yesterday looking and just got more lost.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:50 AM
 
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I certainly can't recall anything like that, even in James which is rather holding up works as against faith without works. The idea is that the poor need help rather than being encouraged to get up off their butts and earn a crust.

You may be thinking of 'God helps those who help themselves' or 'teach a man to fish..' but they are not Biblical as I recall.

"The phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is a popular motto that emphasizes the importance of self-initiative.
The phrase originated in ancient Greece, occurring in approximately equivalent form as the moral to one of Aesop's Fables, Hercules and the Waggoner, and later in the great tragedy authors of ancient Greek drama. Although it has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, the modern English wording appears earlier in Algernon Sidney's work.
The phrase is often mistaken for a Bible quote, but it appears nowhere in the Bible." (Wiki)

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Chinese Proverb

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Old 12-05-2011, 07:11 AM
 
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I certainly can't recall anything like that, even in James which is rather holding up works as against faith without works. The idea is that the poor need help rather than being encouraged to get up off their butts and earn a crust.

You may be thinking of 'God helps those who help themselves' or teach a man to fish..' but they are not Biblical as I recall.

"
The phrase "God helps those who help themselves" is a popular motto that emphasizes the importance of self-initiative.
The phrase originated in ancient Greece, occurring in approximately equivalent form as the moral to one of Aesop's Fables, Hercules and the Waggoner, and later in the great tragedy authors of ancient Greek drama. Although it has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, the modern English wording appears earlier in Algernon Sidney's work.
The phrase is often mistaken for a Bible quote, but it appears nowhere in the Bible." (Wiki)

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Chinese Proverb
No, it wasn't that. I thought it was after the Beatitudes but it isn't, that I saw. I was pretty sure I heard it or saw it but I may be mistaken. Thanks for your response.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. -author unknown.

^This is the best help and major thanks to all whom lend themselves to do so.

*I once read where some smart butt wrote..."Teach a man to pray and he will starve to death waiting on God to send him a fish". Good grief.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:31 PM
 
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I agree with AREQUIPA -- it isn't scripture, but a commonly-held and -preached concept.

Regards,

-- Nighteyes
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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I’m no Bible scholar by any stretch. I remember listening/reading about how the more fortunate should help the poor with food, clothing, and other necessities. And I try. But isn’t it also written (it seems it is right after Jesus tells us to help them) that the poor should not depend on it and do something about their plight. I’m not sure where it is in the Bible though. Can someone help me find the passage, please? I spent yesterday looking and just got more lost.
In ancient Israel the land-owners were told not to harvest out to the very edge of the field. They were to leave a little bit for the poor to come glean, or harvest to feed themselves. The principle is that it was a way to provide for the poor, but the poor still had to work to feed themselves. If you read the book of Ruth, you see that she went and gleaned grain in Boaz's field to feed herself and her mother-in-law.

The apostle Paul reiterated it stating that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat.

2 Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
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Old 12-05-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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In ancient Israel the land-owners were told not to harvest out to the very edge of the field. They were to leave a little bit for the poor to come glean, or harvest to feed themselves. The principle is that it was a way to provide for the poor, but the poor still had to work to feed themselves. If you read the book of Ruth, you see that she went and gleaned grain in Boaz's field to feed herself and her mother-in-law.

The apostle Paul reiterated it stating that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat.

2 Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
I think that is going to be the definitive answer until that reading comes around again at church. That may even be the one I almost recollect. LOL Thank you.
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