Why do atheists only target Christians & Christianity? (Catholics, doctrine, science)

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend

You are a master of condescension. Get over yourself.

Just stating The Facts of the Matter LIYF.

If you, et al, find those FACTS to be condescending...that's on you and them...not on me or the facts.

I've been told by many I was "The Master" of lots of different things...but never condescension. I will add that to the list.

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Just stating The Facts of the Matter LIYF.

If you, et al, find those FACTS to be condescending...that's on you and them...not on me or the facts.

I've been told by many I was "The Master" of lots of different things...but never condescension. I will add that to the list.

No, you didn't just state the facts. You added quite a bit of condescending opinion in the mix, and I bet you did it to get a rise out of atheists.

Words like "pathetic" for instance.

By the way, the facts are that christianity is only 1/3 of the world's population. So the majority do not believe it.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

Not aware of ever having said this, or even suggested it. What makes you ask?

Progress. Great. You are starting to get it. So the point is that atheists do not have an issue with people simply having different beliefs as you previously falsely claimed. The problem they have is with very specific beliefs and what is done with those beliefs.

In fact many of us cherish people of differing beliefs. The world would be dull without them and since there is no evidence for a god or an after life our fellow humans and the variety among them is precious indeed.

To suggest therefore that we have an issue with people solely because their beliefs are different to ours could not be more wrong and it seems you are starting to see that now. Great. And I got you there without the insults and base language you use too.

I've always "gotten it" and "seen it" Nozz...if it is REALITY, then I'm hip to it.

I'm trying to make you understand WHY those so-called "unsubstantiated beliefs" are "forwarded" in society.

See, even though you (and a few more of a very small minority) think "beliefs" like Theism, or more specific to the thread, Christianity, are "unsubstantiated"...that doesn't mean squat to THE FACT that MOST people DO perceive them as substantiated to a sufficient degree to consider those beliefs to be "how it really is".

Sooooooo:
GIVEN---The vast and overwhelming majority are "Believers"...regardless that a few find those beliefs unsubstantiated to their satisfaction.
GIVEN---The Power of the Majority is one of the strongest, most dominating powers known to man.
GIVEN---People like things to be the way they want them to be.
It is a GIVEN that "Belief" will dominate and rule...no matter who in the small minority of Nonbelievers doesn't like that it does.

Oh, you can fight it all you want...but it's like trying to stop the tide from coming in and going out. You might effect a small and insignificant change to the Grand Scheme of Things...but in the end it will most likely be a overall waste of your time and effort, and a study in frustration.

Some Atheists need to not only become hip to that...but adopt an acceptance of the reality of it.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Does that bolded portion of your post ^^ hold for antiTheist Atheists too...including the one you see looking back at you in the mirror?

If so...UHHHT OH!

Not at all, if YOU can "hate the sin, love the sinner" I can certainly despise religion without being discriminatory against the person who is religious.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by LogicIsYourFriend

No, you didn't just state the facts. You added quite a bit of condescending opinion in the mix, and I bet you did it to get a rise out of atheists.

Words like "pathetic" for instance.

By the way, the facts are that christianity is only 1/3 of the world's population. So the majority do not believe it.

I "did it to get a rise out of atheists"?! Who, ME?! Wow...I'm cut to the quick LIYF!

Let me give you analogy, so you can understand the power of Christianity:
Look at Christianity as a candidate among thousands of candidates...and after a worldwide ballot, that single candidate takes a full third of all the votes! Now, do you "get it"?

You try to diminish Christianity as "only 1/3 of the world's population"...when, in fact, that statistic proves how incredibly prolific and powerful it is.
ALPHA THEOLOGY baby!!!!!...has been for over a thousand years...and it isn't going to change any time soon.---That's REALITY!

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

Not at all, if YOU can "hate the sin, love the sinner" I can certainly despise religion without being discriminatory against the person who is religious.

I see your point there MC...and it's a very, very good one.

I must mentally "file" that for future use in other debates.
As you know...I'm no fan of organized religion myself. IMO the world would be better off overall without it...not that my opinion means a rip to change the way things are.

BTW...Happy Holiday and Seasons Greetings to you and yours. Nice to see you back around here. I missed ya...a lot.

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

I "did it to get a rise out of atheists"?! Who, ME?! Wow...I'm cut to the quick LIYF!

Let me give you analogy, so you can understand the power of Christianity:
Look at Christianity as a candidate among thousands of candidates...and after a worldwide ballot, that single candidate takes a full third of all the votes! Now, do you "get it"?

You try to diminish Christianity as "only 1/3 of the world's population"...when, in fact, that statistic proves how incredibly prolific and powerful it is.
ALPHA THEOLOGY baby!!!!!...has been for over a thousand years...and it isn't going to change any time soon.---That's REALITY!

Of course, "Christianity" is quite a broad group, with many MANY mutually exclusive beliefs. So I guess you have to divide it quite a bit further than 1/3 of the world's population if you are going to talk about a specific belief's prolificity.

[Roxolan]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Sooooooo:
GIVEN---The vast and overwhelming majority are "Believers"...regardless that a few find those beliefs unsubstantiated to their satisfaction.
GIVEN---The Power of the Majority is one of the strongest, most dominating powers known to man.
GIVEN---People like things to be the way they want them to be.
It is a GIVEN that "Belief" will dominate and rule...no matter who in the small minority of Nonbelievers doesn't like that it does.

Oh, you can fight it all you want...but it's like trying to stop the tide from coming in and going out. You might effect a small and insignificant change to the Grand Scheme of Things...but in the end it will most likely be a overall waste of your time and effort, and a study in frustration.

Which is why social norms have not changed one bit since pre-history.

[orogenicman]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

I've always "gotten it" and "seen it" Nozz...if it is REALITY, then I'm hip to it.

I'm trying to make you understand WHY those so-called "unsubstantiated beliefs" are "forwarded" in society.

See, even though you (and a few more of a very small minority) think "beliefs" like Theism, or more specific to the thread, Christianity, are "unsubstantiated"...that doesn't mean squat to THE FACT that MOST people DO perceive them as substantiated to a sufficient degree to consider those beliefs to be "how it really is".

Sooooooo:
GIVEN---The vast and overwhelming majority are "Believers"...regardless that a few find those beliefs unsubstantiated to their satisfaction.
GIVEN---The Power of the Majority is one of the strongest, most dominating powers known to man.
GIVEN---People like things to be the way they want them to be.
It is a GIVEN that "Belief" will dominate and rule...no matter who in the small minority of Nonbelievers doesn't like that it does.

Oh, you can fight it all you want...but it's like trying to stop the tide from coming in and going out. You might effect a small and insignificant change to the Grand Scheme of Things...but in the end it will most likely be a overall waste of your time and effort, and a study in frustration.

Some Atheists need to not only become hip to that...but adopt an acceptance of the reality of it.

Erm, you are forgetting something. In today's interconnected world, it is difficult to mantain a stance from bull****e without a lot of people calling you on it. It was rewlatively easy to maintain such a stance in the past. It is not so easy today.

What this means is that today we have this well rather endowed bull****-o-meter. They call it the internet.

Faith is, by definition, a belief in something unproven. By and large it is based on personal revelation, and as we should all know or realize by now, such personal revelation is, also by definition, first person in nature. As such, no one is under any obligation to believe one person's personal revelation over another. Farmer Bob may be a morally upstanding, righteous man, the most honest person any one has ever known, but we still need physical evidence that it actually was the virgin Mary who appeared to him by way of his burnt toast.

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Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

Rather than type an answer here I think I will just link you to another post on another forum where I answered the very same thing at some length.

I read it. Thanks for answering my question.