Evolution - Theory or Fact? (translation, myth, quote, evidence)
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This, however, suggests otherwise.
Do you know how old these ambers are?
Imagine that! Thousands of years with no physical changes from the bugs of today.
How come?
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Wilson
That is a very strange statement since
1) amber takes considerably longer than "thousands of years" to form, and;
2) That species very likely is extinct, so to suggest that no physical change has occurred in that species is a rather extraordinary statement. Do you have any evidence to back it up?
Ok I found the attachment icon when I quote someone, and here is the attempt...
Glad to see you figured it out. Here is my observation on the rock:
First and foremost, though I am not a geologist, I would be pretty certain that particular rock has not been machined and is actually a natural formation. So, kudos to you for finding a rock that has been shaped over time in such a manner.
That being said, I have to break the news to you that heart shaped rocks are actually far more common than Ducky is having us think. In fact, there seems to be an entire hobby based around heart shaped rocks. There are numerous blogs (here for example) about people who've started their heart-shaped rock collections. There are other modern day religious stories about people finding heart-shaped rocks such as this one. on The Secret's website. Google Images has a plethora of images of heart-shaped rocks as seen here. There is a website that sells heart-shaped rocks, even specializes in them and the natural ones, for weddings, birthdays, and so on right here. There is even a YouTube video which dedicated Bob Seger's Against the Wind to heart-shaped rocks right at the bottom of this post.
All that aside, I don't doubt the "special" moment the heart-shaped rock brought Ducky, but I am skeptical of the fact that it is unique and meant specifically for him. Considering the fact that heart-shaped rocks are far more common than one might think, and that they are actually seen in nature pretty frequently, I think any of us could find a heart shaped rock if we took a nice long walk in a place like Hawaii (where the volcanic rock and ocean are perfect for making nice, smooth, heart-shaped stones) or even an area like the Grand Canyon.
So, to be honest, while I think the heart-shaped rock could be a unique find to an individual... Unique enough to trigger thoughts of trying to find other hearts in the immediate location, I don't think it's so unique that it automatically means some deity had a hand in its artisanship and placement.
Oh, come on! Do you really think that this proves evolution?
This picture could not possibly prove evolution. In fact, it flies in the face of the theory.
According to the theory, it takes eons of time and many mutational changes for any significant beneficial alterations in a species. It could not possibly happen in one generation.
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So, for me to answer that question, you would have to show me the parents and thousands of past generations of this animal, noting the ever- so-gradual changes in their physiology. THEN you could proceed to show me its offspring.
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Snake, newt, salamander, whatever - it could very well be a mutation that does not alter the nature of the animal.
Try again.
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Wilson
I realize that nothing could prove evolution to one who is as close minded as you are, but your disbelief in evolution changes nothing...Evolution has been accepted by the majority of the world, including Christians. The only hold outs are people like yourself who have been so thoroughly brainwashed that they have lost the ability to think for themselves...
The photo I posted was not altered, and nowhere did I say that the creature underwent any significant change in one generation...
Glad to see you figured it out. Here is my observation on the rock:
First and foremost, though I am not a geologist, I would be pretty certain that particular rock has not been machined and is actually a natural formation. So, kudos to you for finding a rock that has been shaped over time in such a manner.
That being said, I have to break the news to you that heart shaped rocks are actually far more common than Ducky is having us think. In fact, there seems to be an entire hobby based around heart shaped rocks. There are numerous blogs (here for example) about people who've started their heart-shaped rock collections. There are other modern day religious stories about people finding heart-shaped rocks such as this one. on The Secret's website. Google Images has a plethora of images of heart-shaped rocks as seen here. There is a website that sells heart-shaped rocks, even specializes in them and the natural ones, for weddings, birthdays, and so on right here. There is even a YouTube video which dedicated Bob Seger's Against the Wind to heart-shaped rocks right at the bottom of this post.
All that aside, I don't doubt the "special" moment the heart-shaped rock brought Ducky, but I am skeptical of the fact that it is unique and meant specifically for him. Considering the fact that heart-shaped rocks are far more common than one might think, and that they are actually seen in nature pretty frequently, I think any of us could find a heart shaped rock if we took a nice long walk in a place like Hawaii (where the volcanic rock and ocean are perfect for making nice, smooth, heart-shaped stones) or even an area like the Grand Canyon.
So, to be honest, while I think the heart-shaped rock could be a unique find to an individual... Unique enough to trigger thoughts of trying to find other hearts in the immediate location, I don't think it's so unique that it automatically means some deity had a hand in its artisanship and placement.
If it was just finding the rock that would be different. But it's not just the fact of the incredibly perfect heart, but the fact that I was way out in the middle of the wilderness with only a backpack. What are the odds of finding a perfect heart shaped rock, and having the perfect case for it - the only thing I had accually. Here's the factors"
- last sample
- perfect heart shaped rock
- perfect, and only, case for the rock:
a. three points of hearts edge touch inside diameter of case
b. thickness of heart same thickness of inside diameter of case
I'm no scientist or mathmatician but the odds of that are convincing enough for me. Especially since it's not an isolated event.
All you have to do to prove it is take the picture of the heart in my hand and draw a circle around it. It doesn't matter if the circle represents the I/D of the can. Once you find out it's a perfect circle, then you can figure out the rest. It's true. When I put the heart on the inside of the outer rim of the can, all three points perfectly touch without forcing it. It's an absolutely perfect fit. Whew! You people are weird.
If it was just finding the rock that would be different. But it's not just the fact of the incredibly perfect heart, but the fact that I was way out in the middle of the wilderness with only a backpack. What are the odds of finding a perfect heart shaped rock, and having the perfect case for it - the only thing I had accually. Here's the factors"
- last sample
- perfect heart shaped rock
- perfect, and only, case for the rock:
a. three points of hearts edge touch inside diameter of case
b. thickness of heart same thickness of inside diameter of case
I'm no scientist or mathmatician but the odds of that are convincing enough for me. Especially since it's not an isolated event.
DOn't forget to factor in that it was someone that posts on the forums of City-Data and that has exactly 1,277 posts as I type this. That really makes it even more astronomical.
If it was just finding the rock that would be different. But it's not just the fact of the incredibly perfect heart, but the fact that I was way out in the middle of the wilderness with only a backpack. What are the odds of finding a perfect heart shaped rock, and having the perfect case for it - the only thing I had accually. Here's the factors"
- last sample
- perfect heart shaped rock
- perfect, and only, case for the rock:
a. three points of hearts edge touch inside diameter of case
b. thickness of heart same thickness of inside diameter of case
I'm no scientist or mathmatician but the odds of that are convincing enough for me. Especially since it's not an isolated event.
All you have to do to prove it is take the picture of the heart in my hand and draw a circle around it. It doesn't matter if the circle represents the I/D of the can. Once you find out it's a perfect circle, then you can figure out the rest. It's true. When I put the heart on the inside of the outer rim of the can, all three points perfectly touch without forcing it. It's an absolutely perfect fit. Whew! You people are weird.
There is nothing unusual about "heart" shaped rocks...People collect them, and some people even sell them... heart shaped rocks - Google Search
If it was just finding the rock that would be different. But it's not just the fact of the incredibly perfect heart, but the fact that I was way out in the middle of the wilderness with only a backpack. What are the odds of finding a perfect heart shaped rock, and having the perfect case for it - the only thing I had accually. Here's the factors"
- last sample
- perfect heart shaped rock
- perfect, and only, case for the rock:
a. three points of hearts edge touch inside diameter of case
b. thickness of heart same thickness of inside diameter of case
I'm no scientist or mathmatician but the odds of that are convincing enough for me. Especially since it's not an isolated event.
All you have to do to prove it is take the picture of the heart in my hand and draw a circle around it. It doesn't matter if the circle represents the I/D of the can. Once you find out it's a perfect circle, then you can figure out the rest. It's true. When I put the heart on the inside of the outer rim of the can, all three points perfectly touch without forcing it. It's an absolutely perfect fit. Whew! You people are weird.
OK, I've been trying to stay out of this side discussion about the heart shaped rock, because I wanted to focus on evolution, but I can't help myself but say this.
The heart-shape is a simple shape and isn't truly the shape of any organism's anatomical heart; if it had aortas in the right proportion and location that would be something. But, here is my main beef: Why isn't this heart-shaped rock that fits perfectly in an altoid can taken as proof of the existence of elves or gnomes or fairies? Why is it supposed to be proof of God? The discovery of palm-sized heart-shaped rocks aren't predicted in any scripture or associated with the ministry of Jesus. Why would god care that you could carry the rock in a can? If he meant it for you, wouldn't he be just as happy if you carried it in your backpack? The fact that it fits really seems to be coincidence. I mean any rock that you would keep is going to be somewhat palm-sized (you are not going to haul a boulder home, and a tiny pebble isn't likely to attract your attention. You have probably thrown several heart-shaped gravel pieces). And palm-sized is exactly what the altoid can designers were going for. So, the fact that it fits perfectly is the only part that is not common or to be expected, but not beyond the realm of possible chance.
Here's something. I want to know what the odds are of my sister sending me this picture, today of all days, when we are discussing heart-shaped objects. This just has to be more than coincidental.
Here's something. I want to know what the odds are of my sister sending me this picture, today of all days, when we are discussing heart-shaped objects. This just has to be more than coincidental.
But it is heart-shaped and I got it today, on the day we are discussing heart-shaped objects in nature. And from a sister I haven't seen in years!
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