Facts, evidence, proof...they are all overrated, in my opinion. ;) (beliefs, verse)

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by Djuna

I was a christian for over 20 years, I have plenty of experience to fall back on.

My journey to freedom was hard fought so don't be so smarmy about me thanks.

I forgot, only atheists are allowed to be "smarmy". So sorry.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

It isn't who me must prove that God doesn't exist. You are making the claim, based nothing more than the archaic writings of ignorant men, and your own need for it to be so, that a God does exist. Since there is nothing here suggesting that a God must exist or has to exist, you have to prove that he does.

I am not claiming that a God positively does not exist, if I were, than I would be required to prove that. I am claiming there is no reason at all, at this point in time, to assume that God exists.


Where are your's????? We have to post NO facts claiming there is no God. You asre claiming there is, based on nothing, so it is you who are required to prove your claim.

Again, it is not the Atheist that must prove anything, because they are not making any assumptions, based on blind faith.


Many things that are human nature, things that must have been given by your God, are the very things verbotten by him. What kind of God would do such a thing?

I'll assume you haven't got to this chapter in the Bible either. You are a women right? According to your Bible, women are to reman quiet, and only ask questions to their far more superior counter parts, men.


Yes, those of us who have an interest in living in the real world.

More than likely yes....but that thought was based on no facts, evidence, or proof.

Its also possible for a person to listen but not hear.

-"Must prove?" According to who?

-"What kind of God would do such a thing?" I don't know. As I have probably mentioned, I am still in the process of asking questions about the Bible. Not every Christian takes the Bible literally.

- Yes, I am a woman. And I do have issues with some parts of the Bible where it seems to blame women for all the words evils. I don't entirely disagree with the suggestion that the man "leads" the family, but I do wonder what the right thing to do is when the man is not worthy of leading a family. And if it's a sin for a woman to ask questions, well...I sure hope its one of the forgivable sins!

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

-"Must prove?" According to who?

Anybody who tries to shove what is supposed to be personal beliefs/stand on religion onto others, must use facts, evidence, proof to make and backup the arguments.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

Anybody who tries to shove what is supposed to be personal beliefs/stand on religion onto others, must use facts, evidence, proof to make and backup the arguments.

You answered by stating who you believe must provide proof. You didn't tell me, who created the rule that anyone "must proof" anything.

But, in reply to what you did say:

I guess it's a good thing I'm not "shoving", but just sharing my point of view. I'll leave all that proof stuff to those who find it important.

And yes, I am well aware of how that sentence may make me seem to some people. I can live with that.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

No, .....

Why ever not. Did you not say:

"Just cuz we can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Maybe we just haven't found it yet."

Why are you moving the goal posts for all other supernatural entities except your god?
Is it, as Rifleman would say, 'Selective Beliefs of Convenience'????

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

No, but I believe molecules and atoms exist even though I haven't "seen" them with my own eyes.

We know molecules and atoms exist because we can identify them and measure their effects. Your answer was as daft as saying 'I can't see the wind but I know it's there'.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by Rafius

We know molecules and atoms exist because we can identify them and measure their effects. Your answer was as daft as saying 'I can't see the wind but I know it's there'.

Okie Dokie.

[looking4answers12]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Why ever not. Did you not say:

"Just cuz we can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Maybe we just haven't found it yet."

Why are you moving the goal posts for all other supernatural entities except your god?
Is it, as Rifleman would say, 'Selective Beliefs of Convenience'????

Nope. I respect other religions as well, and the possiblity that I might be wrong. I just don't think I am.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

I believe that the potential to find cures for cancer and aides exist, even though they haven't been discovered yet. Or...better cures.

LOL. Naivety should be a sin. The cure for cancer was discovered long ago, it just so happens it isn't as profotable for big pharma vs. pumping their deadly kemo into the patients. So they keep it under wraps, hush hush. If it ever got out they would stand to lose a fortune, what with the kemo treatments, the regular check ins, calkling in hospice when you are knocking at deaths door. Think about it.

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

-"Must prove?" According to who?

Debate 101;
The person making the positive claim ie God exists..... must prove their claim.

-"What kind of God would do such a thing?" I don't know. As I have probably mentioned, I am still in the process of asking questions about the Bible. Not every Christian takes the Bible literally.

Thats the problem with Christians who get on message boards and argue their point, there isn't a level feild to play on because you guys play fast and loose with the rules when it's convenient. Every time you debate a "christian" you are dealing with a brand spanking new religion entirely.

Atheist/Skeptic: No Virgin birth, no talking snake, no great flood, Noah's ark story impossible, coming back from dead impossible, walking on water impossible.

Christian: Thats all well and good, I dont take the Bible literaly anyway

- Yes, I am a woman. And I do have issues with some parts of the Bible where it seems to blame women for all the words evils

Just pretend like it doesn't say that, you will be fine

Originally Posted by Rafius

We know molecules and atoms exist because we can identify them and measure their effects. Your answer was as daft as saying 'I can't see the wind but I know it's there'.

evidence, proof, and therefore fact.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by looking4answers12

. And I can also admit that some (maybe even many) theists are also closed minded. I don't think of myself that way, but .

I could be wrong but wasnt the entitre premise of your OP all about how your mind was closed to facts evidence and proof? And even confirmed later on when you said you wouldn't change your mind no matter the facts, evidences, and proofs suggesting you were wrong?

Thats the definition of closed minded. How do you define it exactly?