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Drugs and religion are the escape from reality for those unable to deal with reality. One is a chemical that creates delusions in the mind, the other is much more friendlier to the rest of the body, but creates delusions in the mind. Both are addictions, and very few are strong enough to kick the addiction.
I have yet to meet anybody who deals with 100% reality, Asheville.
We know we are not all-knowing & yet the thought of how little we know in comparison to what there is to know is too humbling for most, so we pretend to be experts in one way or another. Even this forum is such a fantasy - from the tiny little symbolic configuration that is supposed to represent agreed on terms, when in reality those terms are constantly changing for society as a whole & for each individual. We communicate to other strangers online... probably most of us to escape some other less pleasant reality.
WE LIVE FOR ILLUSION. That's how we cope... & that's what motivates us. Think about a goal you have... it's an illusion - not current reality - it's a hope you have for the future. Think about what give you most meaning in your life... a hug, intimacy... feeling loved? When you feel loved, it's based on your chosen illusion. Your loved one could do something kind, but if you interpreted them to have alterior motives, you wouldn't feel loved.
We pick the illusions that seem to work in our lives best... but it's a trial & error, dynamic process. Many illusions that I accepted as a child or teen don't work at all anymore.
You're arguing FOR facts being unnecessary while demanding facts. Denial at its best.
Its not my fault that there is simply no science which has a negative effect on a God belief idea. None. Thats whats being talked about , with all kinds of railroads.
Its not my fault that there is simply no science which has a negative effect on a God belief idea. None. Thats whats being talked about , with all kinds of railroads.
There doesn't have to be. Do you believe it a plausible that mermaids, leprechauns, fairies, elephants with 10 legs, mice that sing, tight-rope walking crocodiles, ants that ride motorbikes and all the gods that people believe in may well exist as Rafius asked? There is no scientific evidence in the negetive. By your logic we could say anything exists that isn't directly disputed by scientific fact.
The concept of a creator God alone "might" hold "some" Plausibility but that of the christian God, { which is what the OP is argueing } has zero.
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There doesn't have to be. Do you believe it a plausible that mermaids, leprechauns, fairies, elephants with 10 legs, mice that sing, tight-rope walking crocodiles, ants that ride motorbikes and all the gods that people believe in may well exist as Rafius asked? There is no scientific evidence in the negetive. By your logic we could say anything exists that isn't directly disputed by scientific fact.
The concept of a creator God alone "might" hold "some" Plausibility but that of the christian God, { which is what the OP is argueing } has zero.
Is the new North Koreans Distastor religion Mugabia or Jungewhip ?
There doesn't have to be. Do you believe it a plausible that mermaids, leprechauns, fairies, elephants with 10 legs, mice that sing, tight-rope walking crocodiles, ants that ride motorbikes and all the gods that people believe in may well exist as Rafius asked? There is no scientific evidence in the negetive. By your logic we could say anything exists that isn't directly disputed by scientific fact.
The concept of a creator God alone "might" hold "some" Plausibility but that of the christian God, { which is what the OP is argueing } has zero.
Just want to do a bit of clarifying on this. The only reason a creator God may hold plausibility, is simply and only because we cannot say for a certainty how the universe came in to existence, what the first cause was, or that a first cause is even needed.
If those three elements can accurately be answered without employing a God figure, than any concept of a creator God will be useless and dead.
Just want to do a bit of clarifying on this. The only reason a creator God may hold plausibility, is simply and only because we cannot say for a certainty how the universe came in to existence, what the first cause was, or that a first cause is even needed.
If those three elements can accurately be answered without employing a God figure, than any concept of a creator God will be useless and dead.
Just want to do a bit of clarifying on this. The only reason a creator God may hold plausibility, is simply and only because we cannot say for a certainty how the universe came in to existence, what the first cause was, or that a first cause is even needed.
If those three elements can accurately be answered without employing a God figure, than any concept of a creator God will be useless and dead.
The problem as Blue Hue pointed out is that the BEST that science can ever do is explain HOW the Creator/Source of everything accomplishes everything. It can never explain why the features and processes of reality exist as they do to accomplish what they have accomplished. IOW . . . they can never eliminate or explain the role of God.
Well we could go for the easiest option and, IMO, the most likely.
'The Universe exists. It has always existed, in some form or other.'
There! Job done.
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