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Just the Christian Churches? How about the Muslims and Jews, agnostics and atheists? What else do you think should happen?
Agree. It will take a joint effort.
There are errors and misunderstandings on all sides. Christians need to be more aware that Muslims see proselytizing Christianity as a crime worse than murder and any terrorist act committed to stop proselytizing. As those destroy bodies but apostasy from Islam condemns a Muslim to eternal hellfire.
Muslims need to understand physical violence is not the answer and that most Christians are acting with good intentions. Jews and Muslims together must come to know that for the good of both, peaceful coexistence is a necessity.
The Christian Churches need to take the lead, and, hopefully, when they do, the synagogues and mosques will follow.
That depends on the above and, most probably, the outcome of the next U.S. presidential election.
Possibly, a few judicious missile strikes might be necessary to get the attention of those who are trying to eliminate Christians from the Muslim world.
You really like the idea of military action don't you. Should the missiles come from the United States or do we act in unison with other countries? No the Christians need not take the lead.
There are errors and misunderstandings on all sides. Christians need to be more aware that Muslims see proselytizing Christianity as a crime worse than murder and any terrorist act committed to stop proselytizing. As those destroy bodies but apostasy from Islam condemns a Muslim to eternal hellfire.
Muslims need to understand physical violence is not the answer and that most Christians are acting with good intentions. Jews and Muslims together must come to know that for the good of both, peaceful coexistence is a necessity.
Woodrow, Muslims do not proselytize like Christians do but they certainly do not turn folks away who are interested in islam. They are as willing to give out information to non Muslims.
This particular country is not a muslim majority country but has a population of both Christians and Muslims.
I don't care how Muslims view those who leave islam or proselytizing, killing because of it is never justified.
Muslims need to just understand that people have a right to belong to what ever religion they want to, or they can choose not be a part of any religion. Muslims bear the burden because members of their ummah are behaving violently.
You in fact call these terrorists your brothers and sisters. You and your ummah if you still call them part of your Muslim family then you bear the burden of stopping the violence.
You in fact call these terrorists your brothers and sisters. You and your ummah if you still call them part of your Muslim family then you bear the burden of stopping the violence.
At the moment just addressing the last paragraph. You are absolutly right we do have the burden of stopping those in our family who use violence.
The biggest difficulty we have is many adhere to family and national culture above Islam. They are very difficult to reach because of local culture and often language Barriers.
The largest attempts are the training of Imams from the isolated regions. In Nigeria alone for example you have 2 primary ethnic groups but within them over a thousand seperate tribes with a minimum of 510 different languages. Afghanistan is almost as difficult as you have hundreds of separate tribes each with loyalty to their local chief. Although Pushtu is the most common language you have several other languages spoken only by the members of some tribes. It is a very slow process to train the Imams for the regions they are most needed. But, so far it seems to be the best choice.
there are sicks souls who do like this far from Islam not every one says i am Muslim all his doing reflect of Islam simple example the criminals bashar alasad and ali abdulasalleh presidents of Syria and Yemen bashar kill his people every day like the Satan Islam permitted to us to chose what we want
i swear i wish to set with one of terrorism and who persecution the other i want to ask him to give me only one verse or from sunah that permit to kill or persecution the other people from other religion ALLAH said [ Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.]
I AM the terrorist here. Am I not? So, I think it's the government that is touchy about international misguiding of the intentions of KEEPING WALL STREET together. "Everything's O.K.": sign read at that Protest.
You really like the idea of military action don't you.
Sometimes military action or, at least, the threat of military action is the only thing to prevent further murders, and the threat of military action is only effective if the other side has seen it being used.
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Originally Posted by Jazzymom
Should the missiles come from the United States or do we act in unison with other countries?
If others want to act in unison, all the better, but this not critical to whether or not the U.S. uses missiles.
At the moment just addressing the last paragraph. You are absolutly right we do have the burden of stopping those in our family who use violence.
The biggest difficulty we have is many adhere to family and national culture above Islam. They are very difficult to reach because of local culture and often language Barriers.
The largest attempts are the training of Imams from the isolated regions. In Nigeria alone for example you have 2 primary ethnic groups but within them over a thousand seperate tribes with a minimum of 510 different languages. Afghanistan is almost as difficult as you have hundreds of separate tribes each with loyalty to their local chief. Although Pushtu is the most common language you have several other languages spoken only by the members of some tribes. It is a very slow process to train the Imams for the regions they are most needed. But, so far it seems to be the best choice.
This just seems to be chat. When Push comes to Shove, this is about religion, not tradition, culture or family. If this is Wrong according to Islam, then the Mullahs who know about it should be denouncing it loudly and exhorting their brothers and sisters to take every measure to prevent this, as I am sure you are doing on your own website.
If they are not doing so, then the fault is with with Islam, at least as it is understood by the teachers of it.
P.s. I had a bit of a search and the only thing I found was a niggle that Associated press implied that it it was two way violence, when it is widely seen as pretty one -way, an interesting wiki list of Islamic apostates and death threats made against them and this lone denunciation
"Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abdallah al-Sabil, member of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, Saudi Arabia:
“Any attack on innocent people is unlawful and contrary to shari’a (Islamic law). … Muslims must safeguard the lives, honor and property of Christians and Jews. Attacking them contradicts shari’a.”
Agence France Presse, December 4, 2001"
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This just seems to be chat. When Push comes to Shove, this is about religion, not tradition, culture or family. If this is Wrong according to Islam, then the Mullahs who know about it should be denouncing it loudly and exhorting their brothers and sisters to take every measure to prevent this, as I am sure you are doing on your own website.
If they are not doing so, then the fault is with with Islam, at least as it is understood by the teachers of it.
P.s. I had a bit of a search and the only thing I found was a niggle that Associated press implied that it it was two way violence, when it is widely seen as pretty one -way, an interesting wiki list of Islamic apostates and death threats made against them and this lone denunciation
"Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abdallah al-Sabil, member of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, Saudi Arabia:
“Any attack on innocent people is unlawful and contrary to shari’a (Islamic law). … Muslims must safeguard the lives, honor and property of Christians and Jews. Attacking them contradicts shari’a.”
Agence France Presse, December 4, 2001"
It is very difficult to find the denunciations on google. Probably because nearly all of them are in Arabic, Urdu, Bangla, Pashtu or Farsi
But they can be found by going through the back door and knowing the names of the most outspoken Sheiks and Mullahs who are trying to denounce those who misuse Islam. Youtube is proving to be of help in that area, however Many of the best videos get removed fast.
But to give a few examples:
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