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Old 12-27-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm talking about the ability to think rationally and open-minded. An example would be about a discussion on origins. Most atheists I've met are not willing to actually consider where life begins--but instead only accept what they've been told regarding abiogenesis. I am suggesting you look at the evidence that exists, with an open mind. We've never seen life come from non-life. How would one possibly conclude that it could?
You're no atheist and yet it is you who has refused to provide a rational, open-minded argument to the beginning of life. You prefer your comfort zone, explaining life as a condition that exists, an argument which has nothing to do with how it comes about, sustains and dissipates.

Also, would you count me as an atheist, one who qualifies as someone unwilling to engage in a debate using logic, critical thinking, about life, its origin, sustenance and dissipation?
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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You're no atheist and yet it is you who has refused to provide a rational, open-minded argument to the beginning of life. You prefer your comfort zone, explaining life as a condition that exists, an argument which has nothing to do with how it comes about, sustains and dissipates.

Also, would you count me as an atheist, one who qualifies as someone unwilling to engage in a debate using logic, critical thinking, about life, its origin, sustenance and dissipation?
Since we know that life cannot begin from non-life, the logical conclusion would be that it was created.

Now...are you able to provide a rational, logical argument to that?
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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Since we know that life cannot begin from non-life, the logical conclusion would be that it was created.

Now...are you able to provide a rational, logical argument to that?
Show the evidence that this is true.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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Kant , Hegel, Leibniz, Kierkegaard, Whitehead don't count as philosophers? Some would say that Kant was the greatest western philosopher since Aristotle, yet he was a devout Lutheran Pietist. There are also many engaged in academic philosophy that are theists today.
Philosophy progresses according to scientific knowledge gained from century to century. Yes, some say that Kant was a great philosopher. More recent philosophers, like Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Sartre reject religion.
In recent times many (except christians) regard Nietzsche as the greatest philosopher.
Aristotle wrote when humans believed the world was the region of the Mediterranean and that the stars were merely a short distance above the earth and that the oceans (full of monsters) lead to cliffs where ships may fall off.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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Not at all.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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Since we know that life cannot begin from non-life, the logical conclusion would be that it was created.

Now...are you able to provide a rational, logical argument to that?
A rational, logical argument to an emotional, belief based assumption from you? Sure. But that won't help your claim of employing "critical thinking".

A rational response: Life comes into existence and is sustained via chemical reactions. When this energy generation dissipates, life no longer exists. It can't be mere coincidence that a body without life is one where the system has completely shut down. Is it?

Now, you still haven't explained your idea of "critical thinking" with an example. Or, at least an attempt at explaining what your idea of origin of life is, complete with rationality, and what ends it.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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A rational, logical argument to an emotional, belief based assumption from you? Sure. But that won't help your claim of employing "critical thinking".

A rational response: Life comes into existence and is sustained via chemical reactions. When this energy generation dissipates, life no longer exists. It can't be mere coincidence that a body without life is one where the system has completely shut down. Is it?

Now, you still haven't explained your idea of "critical thinking" with an example. Or, at least an attempt at explaining what your idea of origin of life is, complete with rationality, and what ends it.
Have you even paid attention to a thing I've said? See post 63.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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Show the evidence that this is true.
My wife gave birth to my kids. They didn't just pop into existence one day.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Have you even paid attention to a thing I've said? See post 63.
Unfortunately, I did. Nothing that involves critical thinking was presented. Hence, you complaining about atheists never providing with an answer that involves critical thinking isn't just unwarranted and unsubstantiated, it is ridiculous since you have no regard for critical thinking. You certainly haven't made a point along the lines.

May be one more try? Explain origin of life, using critical thinking, as in logic and rationality, NOT based on a belief.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:58 PM
 
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Unfortunately, I did. Nothing that involves critical thinking was presented. Hence, you complaining about atheists never providing with an answer that involves critical thinking isn't just unwarranted and unsubstantiated, it is ridiculous since you have no regard for critical thinking. You certainly haven't made a point along the lines.

May be one more try? Explain origin of life, using critical thinking, as in logic and rationality, NOT based on a belief.
I've given you the definition of life. I'm willing to go with the dictionary definition. I've also reasoned that from everything we know about life, it only comes from life.

Now...I'm challenging you to think critically and tell me how life began, if it was not created.
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