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I'll stipulate that I am fully aware of what you don't think so. But at the end I am also fully aware that you will wish like hell that you had not, I don't think so.
so up to this point the crux of the issue is based on faith or no faith in the New Testament
I personally am not Jewish nor Mormon ... and as versed as I try to be it appears as though the key factor here is if you accept the Messiah concept as having been or yet to come.
According to Maimonides (Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, otherwise known by the acronym Rambam, 1135-1204 C.E.), "The Written Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) and Oral Torah (teachings now contained in the Talmud and other writings) were given to Moses and there will be no other Torah. (Source: Rambam's thirteen principles of faith)
That's nice that something written 3000 years after the fact seems to be authoritative about it. Maimonides was not the end of interpretation - even his sons, and grandsons disagreed with him.
Dang, this is turning into the usual "Oral Torah" is authoritative argument.
Walter - show us a passage in the Bible where the Oral Torah is specifically and definitively explained as being a part of Mosaic Yahwism. Judaism built itself upon Mosaic Yahwism, or are you not able to speak of such things because of the later ban on pronouncing the name?
No; to do otherwise would be to commit idolatry and thereby keep me out of Heaven.
To the Jews the fact that the priesthood and the law have been changed by the sacrifice of Jesus' crucifixion is the stumbling block. For the Gentile it is foolish.
so up to this point the crux of the issue is based on faith or no faith in the New Testament
I personally am not Jewish nor Mormon ... and as versed as I try to be it appears as though the key factor here is if you accept the Messiah concept as having been or yet to come.
The key factor is not whether one accepts that Jesus is the Messiah, but that it is not unaccpetable that he be obeyed as God.
Yes rebbi that is true, but it is the stumbling block for a Jew.
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