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Old 01-05-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Aren't you tired of the usual evolution/creation theme? Or the existence/non-existence of god? Same old arguments, over and over.
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No, because for those of us who love to think (sometimes to overthink!), there is always a new side to be seen, even to the same issue.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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No, because for those of us who love to think (sometimes to overthink!), there is always a new side to be seen, even to the same issue.
If the creationists ever presented new sides to their beliefs...
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I've been here over 4 years. In that time I've seen the same basic themes presented in the forum, just worded differently. Also, the same basic reactions. The believers start threads, the atheists take it apart, the believers deliver their potshots and abandon the thread. Atheists start threads, believers offer up their usual bible quotes, threats of hell, then depart. Basically, each side calls the other stupid.
Generally, posters (the faithful ones) often avoid tough questions.
Aren't you tired of the usual evolution/creation theme? Or the existence/non-existence of god? Same old arguments, over and over.
Then we have the 'scholarly' types (even atheists), that refer to biblical characters and situations (as if they were true), something to study for people who have nothing else better to do.
The R&P forum runs in circles, but gets nowhere. No progress can be noted.
The strange part is that religion and philosophy are on the same forum. The two are not compatible. Religion is riven by dogma, philosophy is (as done by philosophers) open to everything in existence and is subject to change according to new knowledge gained by research. Religion sticks to the original, and insist it's the truth, oblivious of any and all knowledge gained in the last 2,000 years. The difference between philosophy and religion is as wide as the Grand Canyon.
Philosophers have to think and not be afraid of any questions, even if their own theories may dissolve in the process. Maybe a new, and better theory may result.
If you're an atheist, you may write a thought provoking post. But the believers will pick a small part and attack, intentionally disregarding the whole of the post. So why write a thought provoking post?
When I first joined City Data, the R&P forum did not have any sub-forums.

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Since then two have been added. Christianity has it's own, to keep out "the atheist nonsense" as one poster noted. Now, they are well sheltered in their little bubble. Keep Out, it's forbidden territory for an atheist to tread.
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People who think this could benefit greatly from taking a look at the terms of service regarding the religious sub-forums. The forums weren't created specificly or exclusively for Chhristians to post in, or a "chirstian club-house" of sorts. Anyone of any worldview can post there. Same goes for the athest subforum. They are places to learn about those particular worlviews, not to keep out the other ones nonsense as you put it.

As far as taking it seriously? No, not so much anymore. When I first came here I did. City-Data R&P has done much to expose to me the fallacy of religion. It has changed my thoughts on the subject. I am much more content in my beliefs or lack thereof, than I was before I came here.

Now it's pretty much just entertainment for me. Every once in awhile there is a thought provoking post, but after you have been here long enough, you have pretty much heard it all and have decided what side you fall on, and just go on from there. When the subject matter being discussed doesn't change, your bound to run out of new ideas and topics. Now we just combat the new "interpretations" of that subject matter. Every now and again you will run into someone who is genuine about learning and taking in new concepts, but it's a rarity.

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. The bullies shame the more timid ones into silence. Oh well, I guess that's life.
One thing is for certain, if you propose an idea here you are going to be called out on it. Thats not called being bullied, thats called being expected to back up your claims. Nothing wrong with it.

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Yep me too. Apparently my articulation is worse than I realized. Some folks have made sure to point that out for me. It hurt my feelings, but I guess it's a good think in the long run. I'm a little more conscious of it, though I still have a long way to go, I guess.
These people are grammar nazis and trolls. One someone proves themselves to be a grammar nazi, I rarely engage them ever again. They obviously aren't here to have a civilized discussion or a meaningful one. Report them.

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Sheesh, how large a selection do you want? There are forums for everything from health to trivia here. What additional ones would you like to see?
I think she was refering specificly to R&P

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Post #18 reminds me of one point I forgot to mention in the OP.
The religious believe atheism is a religion.
Their feeble attempt to put skeptics in the same catagory as themselves I suspect. Most can't seem to stand it that many of us are content with our convictiion that there is no God. I suppose it;s because that line of thought is out of the scope of their own. They cant comprehend that there are some people who just dont need a God in their life.


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Before I came on here I had no idea that some people still believed things like ,'the sun rotates around the earth,which is fixed in place,and God lives in the middle of the sun in a palace,where he sits watching us all day'.
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Who said they believe this on here? Link to the thread? Even the most outlandish of our little cast of characters hasn't proposed such a thing to my knowledge.

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Old 01-05-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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Before I came on here I had no idea that some people still believed things like ,'the sun rotates around the earth,which is fixed in place,and God lives in the middle of the sun in a palace,where he sits watching us all day'.
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Who said they believe this on here? Link to the thread? Even the most outlandish of our little cast of characters hasn't proposed such a thing to my knowledge.
I think it is YSM (YeshuaSavedMe) who believes that.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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I think it is YSM (YeshuaSavedMe) who believes that.
Ahhh....never had the privilege of crossing paths with that one I guess.
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Yes, I agree that sharing your "god proving experiences" with us Atheists is totally useless.

We believe there are no supernatural events. We believe that if anything appears supernatural to you, it is because you are being delusional.
Ah...a closed mind is a wonderful thing. Do you not agree?

My point taken and confirmed. Thanks.
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Ahhh....never had the privilege of crossing paths with that one I guess.
Yes,mystic is correct,YeshuaSavedMe provided me with some of the most entertaining threads i've ever read on the net.Do a search and share in the joy!She doesn't post much anymore.

I really miss talking in circles with Tom Campbell who passed away this year also,he was a lot of fun.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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If the creationists ever presented new sides to their beliefs...
I'm not talking about new sides being presented, I'm talking about me seeing new things even if the argument is old. You don't think of new things when you hear something a second time, or put in a different way?
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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Yes, I agree that sharing your "god proving experiences" with us Atheists is totally useless.

We believe there are no supernatural events. We believe that if anything appears supernatural to you, it is because you are being delusional.
"The only thing worse than the "I" ego is the collective "We" ego." - Eckharte Tolle
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Do you not agree?
I never know exactly how to respond to that type of question.

If I answer "No", does that mean I do not not agree, which means I agree?

If I answer Yes, does that mean I do not agree?

Life was easier at work when I only spoke Fortran.
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