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Which is no small assumption and an assumption you are yet to presented even the first scrap of evidence or support for.
Still haven't read the synthesis, have you? The reality was foisted upon me during deep mediation. This made the possibility of divine inspiration believable to me . . . and the synthesis is my attempt to explain it to my intellect using extant science. Sue me.
The forbidden fruit or the tree of knowledge was in my mind the tree of rampant..unbridled human imagination - that humans are capable of creating all sorts of things in their minds - and manifesting them into reality - Human beings are like small g gods - they can create just about anything - but can not CONTROL what they create - that is the problem - that is the sin - where as GOD - has full control...It's like a man who learns everything and has full understanding of all...he either becomes a monster on earth - or he disappears having lost the purpose of the quest...
Knowledge is not the sin - it is the straying away from reality through crazed human imagination that is the sin. Once you live in a lie - or a fantacy through human imagination - reality around you is destroyed - In other words reality is like the oxygen in a space ship...Once you pollute it or waste it - you perish. The wages of sinister imagination is death.
I still wonder what sin I am guilty of or anyone for that matter. Perhaps that is why the whole concept of OS never made sense as through introspection, I really cannot see what I do wrong.
The church is good at making you feel guilty of this imaginary sin yet I cannot for the life of me see what I am doing wrong.
Still haven't read the synthesis, have you? The reality was foisted upon me during deep mediation. This made the possibility of divine inspiration believable to me . . . and the synthesis is my attempt to explain it to my intellect using extant science. Sue me.
But you seem to be insulting others who do not share your viewpoint, which you admit you invented and has no basis in the text.
But you seem to be insulting others who do not share your viewpoint, which you admit you invented and has no basis in the text.
I insult no one, I invented nothing, and I have plenty of basis in the text. Where did you see these admissions you assert? The science explains the reality . . . the spiritual record explains the beliefs about the reality.
It is as irrational as punishing your child for life, and their children, and their children, because your kid took a cookie out of the cookie jar when they were told not to................
Also - to blame EVE..(woman) for original sin sounds so ...how shall I say - Islamic? If EVE got the notion from the serpant - and suggested eating the apple to ADAM...I would say that ADAM made the decision..so why do we blame the woman?
Also - to blame EVE..(woman) for original sin sounds so ...how shall I say - Islamic? If EVE got the notion from the serpant - and suggested eating the apple to ADAM...I would say that ADAM made the decision..so why do we blame the woman?
Well, to be techical, in the text the man is standing right next to the woman the whole time. So...
A lot of this later blaming of Eve totally comes from that Oracle against Tyre, and later Jewish exegesis on finding out who the "Primal One" was. This all tied into the ideas of rebeliion expressed in the Oracle. Later Christianity was to compare it to Satan and the Rebellion of the Angels. I doubt this was the intention of the Oracle.
Again - later interpretations messing everything up and coloring our view of the actual story. So much trouble could have been saved, if they had just accepted the story at it's face-value - instead of trying to read things into it, just because they didn't agree with the original athor's message.
I was raised Christian and attended both Methodist church and Quaker meetings in my youth. Today I'm pretty firmly atheist- and whatever part of me might have doubts is convinced the Christian biblical god is not a being I could worship if it did exist.
One thing that has always bothered me is the whole concept of original sin. Adam and Eve's 'sin' was disobeying God and in doing so gaining the knowledge of good and evil. It seems to me that God prefers his worshipers to remain on the level of children. He wants their faith to be blind, much as a child's faith in their parents can be blind until they realize their parents are fallible. He would have kept Adam and Eve ignorant forever if he could have. It even bothers me when heaven is presented as a place where 'all are one in God's love", which implies there is no individuality.
Call it prideful, but if I believed in a God, I would want him to love me as a questioning adult. I would want him to encourage knowledge, not ignorance, and certainly not to punish those who seek it.
So, what exactly is so bad about that first 'original sin'? Why did God want to keep Adam and Eve as basically housepets?
Actually, what you have said pretty much matches up with Mormon doctrine. (I know... that's probably not a good thing ). We believe that the Fall of Adam was part of God's plan all along and that it was absolutely essential for man to learn to distinguish between good and evil. God didn't want Adam and Eve as his housepets. He wanted to see them attain the highest degree of knowledge they possibly could. We Mormons see them in an entirely different light than most Christians do.
Also - to blame EVE..(woman) for original sin sounds so ...how shall I say - Islamic? If EVE got the notion from the serpant - and suggested eating the apple to ADAM...I would say that ADAM made the decision..so why do we blame the woman?
Or that men interpreted the fable later. Everyone got cursed in that episode, and you don't find any references to "Eve ruined everything!" until much later in the history of the religion.
One could see the interpretation as running contrary to the view that it was Eve (while Adam ineffectually stood by with this thumb up his..) who took the step to "steal" (like Prometheus) Divine Wisdom for humanity. Prometheus was punished, as were the humans and the serpent, but nowhere does it say this resulted in some "Fall" or "Original Sin" until much, much later.
The late nature of the idea of "Original Sin" is pointed out several times in this thread. I wouldn't blame the original author of the folk-tale - he seems pretty pro-woman, if you drop thousands of years of interpretation away from the story.
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). We believe that the Fall of Adam was part of God's plan all along and that it was absolutely essential for man to learn to distinguish between good and evil. God didn't want Adam and Eve as his housepets. He wanted to see them attain the highest degree of knowledge they possibly could. We Mormons see them in an entirely different light than most Christians do.
