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Unread 01-08-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Jesus was the last sacrifice . Under the law sacrifices were a command of God as an aspect of faith and obedience. Pagan faiths
historicaly desercrated the temple with unclean (pigs). Animal sacrifices today are associated with demonic ritual and pagan
pseudo-religions as voodoo ,witchcraft and maufactured rituals by psychologically disturbed often addicted or demented person.

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Unread 01-08-2012, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Jesus was the last sacrifice . Under the law sacrifices were a comand of God as an aspect of faith and obedience.
Do you not see something terribly wrong with that?
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Unread 01-09-2012, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Metromess
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Pigs get a bad rap. You'd be unclean too if you were forced to live in a pigsty.
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Unread 01-09-2012, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Ya' know - in a weird way, it used to represent a form of respect involved in taking an animal's life. It was an event, a religious act - because you were taking a life, even if it was an animal's.

Many ancient peoples did not eat as much meat as we did, and when they did it was done ONLY after sacrificing the animal and recognizing it's own "sacrifice" to the living. It showed people that eating meat was not a simple thing, but it involved death, and it should be given it's proper dues.

Perhaps this would help some people today cut back on their eating of meat, if all consumed meat was procured in such a fashion. It reminds me of the problem of people who eat meat, but don't want to see what goes on in a slaughter house or a factory - that is far more barbaric, in my opinion, than animal sacrifice to eat meat. A mallet to the side of the head, the animal is hoisted up and bled, and then sliced and diced, robotically, packaged for consumption - very cold, very modern, very efficient. A trip to one of these is what makes many people turn vegan.
Amen - and so I did.

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Unread 01-09-2012, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Jesus was the last sacrifice . Under the law sacrifices were a command of God as an aspect of faith and obedience. Pagan faiths
historicaly desercrated the temple with unclean (pigs). Animal sacrifices today are associated with demonic ritual and pagan
pseudo-religions as voodoo ,witchcraft and maufactured rituals by psychologically disturbed often addicted or demented person.
yet the millions of pigs sacrificed just because (ever fatter) America thinks their fat tastes good is okay? As diluted as some may be - at least the religious think their suffering serves some higher purpose.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:02 AM
 
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But it doesn't serve a "higher purpose". Thinking it does is a mistake. Just my opinion, of course. And why would a creator-god want some of his creations sacrificed to him? It doesn't make sense.

Speaking of bacon, etc., it has occured to me before that if there is a creator-god, it must be malicious since the better something tastes, the worse it is for you. I love bacon but seldom eat it.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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But it doesn't serve a "higher purpose". Thinking it does is a mistake. Just my opinion, of course. And why would a creator-god want some of his creations sacrificed to him? It doesn't make sense.

Speaking of bacon, etc., it has occured to me before that if there is a creator-god, it must be malicious since the better something tastes, the worse it is for you. I love bacon but seldom eat it.
Since far far far far more animals are abused in the name of appetite I'm not so worried about the mislead religious sacrificers that much. Just making a point about that.

What's discouraging to me is when people find out I'm vegan they assume it's a health thing. With me it has zero to do with health, even though it's a great side-effect for sure.

What I refuse to pay for/sponsor anymore is this:
Meet your meat - The transformation of animals into food - YouTube
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Unread 01-10-2012, 01:41 AM
 
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They "feel weird" because this is not the way in our culture. However, to be honest, I kind of don't think they really bother me too much. I mean I could see hygiene concerns and I would be uncomfortable if they sacrificed an endangered or near-sentient animal. Still on some level I don't know that making a cow into leather or even a hamburger is sufficiently better than trying to please God as you understand him.

On animals though I'm generally seen as not very empathetic. Like we "sort", kill basically, roosters after birth because we don't need that many male chickens. So if that's our view of roosters I don't see why rooster-fighting (normally called something I can't say here) is so bad. I get dog-fighting, a trained fighting dog can start killing people, but I've only ever heard of one case of a fighting-rooster killing a guy. And in that case the rooster had like implements on its claws. It seems like it'd be better if it was legal and regulated. But the few times I've expressed this people are deeply weirded out or even horrified.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 04:11 AM
 
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On animals though I'm generally seen as not very empathetic.
And why is that, do you think?
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Unread 01-10-2012, 04:31 AM
 
Location: FL
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Not a fan of animal sacrifice. But somehow, I can't think of this subject without also thinking of eating meat, and how some people believe that killing animals for ANY reason is wrong.

So, my honest answer, is that I somewhat want to say that if some religions believe in animal sacrifice, they should be allowed to do it. But, I can't say that with 100% conviction. I guess this is one of those topics where I am conflicted.
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