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Also.. another reference in regards to womans dress.
1 Timothy 2
In regards to "Instructions on Worship"
9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
Also.. another reference in regards to womans dress.
1 Timothy 2
In regards to "Instructions on Worship"
9I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
That's actually the point that I was trying to make.
Let them dress modestly. Paul then goes on to say what "modest" is. Standards of modesty change from culture to culture, but I believe it can be summed up in "don't dress in such a way that it makes people forget what they are there for".
Why is it that it's always the women who are supposed to be humble and modest but it never seems to apply to the men? I'll bet the rich men wore clothing that boasted their wealth when they went to church or anyplace else and it was acceptable and even expected while a woman is supposed to behave like a meek little mouse.
The only relevant guidance in the Bible is "spiritual" . . .NOT cultural or societal. This asinine focus on cultural and social issues is anachronistic and ridiculous. We are not a primitive pastoral society of ignorant and uneducated shepherds.
That's actually the point that I was trying to make.
Let them dress modestly. Paul then goes on to say what "modest" is. Standards of modesty change from culture to culture, but I believe it can be summed up in "don't dress in such a way that it makes people forget what they are there for".
I completely agree with you. Times have changed dramatically over the ages. Whats modest in South Dakota isn't the same as modest in Southern california. .. Due to temperatures and cultural background.
My VERY religious Grandmother goes along the lines of - modesty is not flashy.. dress as not to draw attention to yourself but dress respectful and in accordance of your environment and peers. (just her views on "proper dress".
Why is it that it's always the women who are supposed to be humble and modest but it never seems to apply to the men? I'll bet the rich men wore clothing that boasted their wealth when they went to church or anyplace else and it was acceptable and even expected while a woman is supposed to behave like a meek little mouse.
Yes, but in biblical times women were the child bearers and took care of the home and man. They didn't have a career, the right to vote and they didn't have the right to handle monetary items. They were just a step above a servant/slave..
From my studies of the bible... its apparent to me that most of the teachings in there are historical value that were based on cultural needs and control. (just a base sentence to describe what I've gotten out of it..).
In many other cultures woman were treated the same way.. especially relating to the hormonal cycle and the woman was believed to be "unclean" and not allowed to attend any type of religious ceremony (i find this very interesting due to the fact MANY different religions also have this theory and way of life - during that time frame)...
Yes, but in biblical times women were the child bearers and took care of the home and man. They didn't have a career, the right to vote and they didn't have the right to handle monetary items. They were just a step above a servant/slave..
From my studies of the bible... its apparent to me that most of the teachings in there are historical value that were based on cultural needs and control. (just a base sentence to describe what I've gotten out of it..).
In many other cultures woman were treated the same way.. especially relating to the hormonal cycle and the woman was believed to be "unclean" and not allowed to attend any type of religious ceremony (i find this very interesting due to the fact MANY different religions also have this theory and way of life - during that time frame)...
Actually, the churches that Paul was writing to were likely in Hellenized cities largely influenced by Greek culture. There were a lot of women in position of wealth and power in the New Testament.
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Why is it that it's always the women who are supposed to be humble and modest but it never seems to apply to the men? I'll bet the rich men wore clothing that boasted their wealth when they went to church or anyplace else and it was acceptable and even expected while a woman is supposed to behave like a meek little mouse.
Because men are pigs. We tend to think really nasty, dirty thoughts about women when we see them dressed certain ways. Whether or not that's right, and whether or not we should control our desires...it's just a fact.
It's also because women tend to "compete" with what they wear. There are exceptions...but when a man wearing a nice suit walks into a room most of the time the other men there won't huddle together and try to poke fun at the guy or talk bad about him.
I believe that the Bible is relevant today -- every bit of it from Genesis through Revelation. Some of us choose to live by it, some choose to live by the parts they like, and some choose to scoff at it and those who adhere and sanctify it. I choose to live by it in knowledge.
When the Bible says not to wear men's clothing, the purpose is that women are not to try to look like what they are not. It has nothing to do with pants and skirts. When it says to dress modestly, it means exactly that: that we are not to dress in such a way to draw attention to ourselves whether it is skin-exposure, wealth exposure, or whatever.
However, if women did not work outside their homes, handle money, purchase land, ect., it is time to throw out the last chapter of Proverbs, because it is a lie as are other parts of the Scriptures.
A study of what "unclean" means would benefit.
Yes, but in biblical times women were the child bearers and took care of the home and man. They didn't have a career, the right to vote and they didn't have the right to handle monetary items. They were just a step above a servant/slave..
I realize this and that's the problem I have with it. When you realize how badly the male dominated human race has dealt with every imaginable problem we have faced it makes me wonder if a society that was ruled by both males and females might have done a better job. There seems to be an aggressive and destructive element in male rivalry and females seem to bring a different dynamic to the situation. I think it's quite likely that if nations were run by women that they would have the common sense not to start world wars, commit mass murders, and all of the other atrocities that we associate with people like Hitler and Stalin.
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.. Due to temperatures and cultural background. 
