The Atheistic View (Why It Is Dangerous) (doctrine, eternal, Earth)

[Clark Park]

There is no law law against being an Atheist.

Atheism is a valid choice a person can adopt in this society ... we do not live in a Theocratic state like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Many admirable, accomplished, and brilliant people were or are atheists: people who made positive contributions to our society.

To defame, denounce, or ridicule a person because of his or her religious beliefs or lack of religious belief is sheer intolerance and bigotry, from my point of view.

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

I picked one of the facts that show me why Atheism will never outgrow religion, thats why I brought the fact up. White males don't have enough power to overcome religion, there are more white males in religion than there are in Atheism. What makes religion much larger and more sucessful than Atheism, is Women and Ethnic peoples, two groups who are not attracted to Atheism; and thats another cherry picked fact.

Now the question is " Why" arn't women and ethnic peoples attracted to Atheism?

But I won't give the answer because I don't want to hurt any Atheist feelings; that truth would hurt.

You keep talking about Atheism as if it were some sort of organization or something. It'snot. There are no group of Atheists looking to control the world. Atheism is not a religion. It is merely a label given to those individuals who believe there are no Gods.

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Philosophy was started by John Locke , who was an amateur theologian in the church. He got his inspiration from the divine.

And here I thought he was just a character on the TV series "Lost"

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Discovery of fire and tool making is not science, .

How do you figure? Or do you once again "disagree" based simply on the fact that it wouldn't help your side of the argument?

Originally Posted by hiker45

That's a good point, Jda.

A few months ago, I started a thread "Why are you an Atheist" and got a lot of good responses. Several people had a religion drummed into their heads when they were young and they later rebelled against it. Some of these people definitely seemed antagonistic toward organized religion, so they may be the ones you see "attacking other peoples belief systems".

Where exactly do we see Atheists "attacking" religion other than on internet forums? Come folks, some of you act as if there were some sort of Holy war going on out in the streets.

And most ofeten, atheists arent attacking religion, they are showing the what should be obvious points of fallacy. I guess that is what's being considered "attacking" by some.

Originally Posted by jdaelectro

As you can tell, I gave up on this thread a while ago. Atheists are always right and all theists are delusional in their minds. So what is the point in even discussing anything with them? .

No, more like you gave up on this thread after YOU started "attacking" and insulting Atheists, the thread got closed, and you thought Atheists would just take your insults lying down. Perhaps if you had presented an intelligent argument with competent talking points instead of preachuing on the evils of Atheism, you would have been met with more civility.

I thought you said in the other thread of yours that you seen where you were wrong and thatyou regreted even starting the threads for that reason? I guess the humility of the theist is short lived.

[hiker45]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

And most ofeten, atheists arent attacking religion, they are showing the what should be obvious points of fallacy. I guess that is what's being considered "attacking" by some.

I think you are exactly right.

A few days ago I criticized an Orthodox Jew because of his beliefs, and I could tell that he did not like it one bit.

[rifleman]

Some well-made points to our favorite (for now anyways...) trollster...

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

√ There are no group of Atheists looking to control the world. Atheism is not a religion. It is merely a label given to those individuals who believe there are no Gods.

√ do you once again "disagree" based simply on the fact that it wouldn't help your side of the argument?

√ Where exactly do we see Atheists "attacking" religion other than on internet forums?

√ most often, atheists arent attacking religion, they are showing the what should be obvious points of fallacy.

√ you gave up on this thread after YOU started "attacking" and insulting Atheists, the thread got closed, and you thought Atheists would just take your insults lying down.

√ Perhaps if you had presented an intelligent argument with competent talking points instead of preachuing on the evils of Atheism, you would have been met with more civility.

I thought you said in the other thread of yours that you seen where you were wrong and that you regreted even starting the threads for that reason?

I guess the humility of the theist is short lived.

Bingo. In fact, multi-bingo. Tell him what he's won, Vanna!

[jackmccullough]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Bingo. In fact, multi-bingo. Tell him what he's won, Vanna!

So I guess that means the OP gets a year's supply of Rice-a-Roni. Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco treat, plus a copy of the home version of our game.

[mikebnllnb]

Originally Posted by jdaelectro

Time and time again you will see atheists contradict themselves. Here are a couple examples of why the atheistic stance is dangerous. What if there is a child that is being abused and this child is taught that when you die that it is the end of everything? This is very dangerous to the child's developing mind. This will give the child incentive to take his/her own life to escape the pain. IMO that is a sickening thought. It should be considered a crime to indoctrinate our youth with this "lack of belief" stance. Watch as atheism is revealed to be truly dangerous.


Atheists Trying to Have Their Cake and Eat It Too on Morality - YouTube

I think from now on instead of trying to have an honest debate with people that are 100% incapable of such I'll just post this.



Instant win!!!!!

[Mickiel]

In my view Atheism is the flip side of the coin of religion , two entitys that feed off each other in melodramatic mediums. What would the dart be without the target? Although two oppisites , they exist to counteract with each other. When I come to this board , most of my conversations are with Atheist; realizing this, why should I constantly get an attitude with who I constantly spend my time with? That just wastepaper baskets the time , so I learn to value it. The flip side of that, is to get angry at the target and throw your darts out of frustration, then your game is off. The Atheist that does this, their game is off.

When you relax and focus on the target , then your skill can take over, your talent can develop in debate. Then your target becomes less the board, or the person, but the principle of the subject. You have no need to prove your skill, it becomes apparent in your points. And principles of belief is your target, and you won't get frustrated at those principles you are conscious of. You focus your attack on the principles that are being discussed, not the person. And this is maturity, not manipulation.

Religion came first, then Atheism was a reaction to religion. And Atheist are still to this day, reacting and responding to religion, its elder brother on the other side of the coin. The coin is consciousness , and the flip side of belief is unbelief; classic unraveling of the purposed will of God. The human consciousness can only comprehend God, if God allows it; conversely the reason why it does not comprehend God - is God! And I don't think thats understood. What God has made in humanity, he willnot condemn.

Many Christians feel that only their Christian brothers can sharpen them; I disagree with that; Iron sharpens Iron, no matter who the Iron is, and Atheist certainly are Iron. Unbelief can certainly sharpen belief, it does mine! And there is no doubt about this in my mind. Thats why I like to travel from website to website, and glean from person to person. Certain Atheist feel that if a Theist does not agree with them, that they are learning nothing from them, and nothing could be further from the truth. The aquisition of knowledge does not require aggreement. I learn from Christians and religion as well. Although I disagree with religion, Christians and Atheist, they all sharpen me.

And this understanding, as it grows stronger within me, is killing my immaturity in debate. A dying that I gladly die daily.

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Reading the OP it appears that the whole opening argument on the thread is basically reducible to “Atheism is bad because it might lead people to a bad conclusion or action”.

This is a monumentally poor argument because it could be applied to ANY truth. Any truth when told can lead potentially to a bad action or conclusion. For example it is true that certain compounds are poisonous. Should we suppress this truth because someone might use that knowledge and poison another person?

If we were to go around suppressing and declaring dangerous any truth that could potentially lead to an unpleasant outcome, decision or action then we would have nothing left.

So I am thoroughly unimpressed by any argument that essentially says “While your worldview appears true in every way, we must declare it dangerous because my imagination is capable of dreaming up hypothetical scenarios where the application of that world view will lead to an outcome I personally do not like.”

As teachers are often fond of putting on report cards… “Must try harder”. The OP would do well to spend more time working on the prevention of the abuses that so preoccupy their imagination rather than worrying about fantasy scenarios about what an atheist might do in such scenarios. To show just how ridiculous the OPs fantasy scenario is... one could easily turn it around and say "What if the abused child thinks there is an afterlife and so ends this life to get away from the abuse and into the after life sooner to get away from the abuse.". In that scenario atheism is the less dangerous option as the atheist would realise that as bad as the abuse is, this is still the only life we get and maybe this life is still better than no life at all.

[Vic 2.0]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

Reading the OP it appears that the whole opening argument on the thread is basically reducible to “Atheism is bad because it might lead people to a bad conclusion or action”.

This is a monumentally poor argument because it could be applied to ANY truth. Any truth when told can lead potentially to a bad action or conclusion. For example it is true that certain compounds are poisonous. Should we suppress this truth because someone might use that knowledge and poison another person?

If we were to go around suppressing and declaring dangerous any truth that could potentially lead to an unpleasant outcome, decision or action then we would have nothing left.

Agreed. It'd be one thing if he could provide a credible source pointing to specific risks (that have been realized in actuality, not fantasy). But simply saying "This COULD happen" doesn't cut it for me either.

[AREQUIPA]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

In my view Atheism is the flip side of the coin of religion , two entitys that feed off each other in melodramatic mediums. What would the dart be without the target? Although two oppisites , they exist to counteract with each other. When I come to this board , most of my conversations are with Atheist; realizing this, why should I constantly get an attitude with who I constantly spend my time with? That just wastepaper baskets the time , so I learn to value it. The flip side of that, is to get angry at the target and throw your darts out of frustration, then your game is off. The Atheist that does this, their game is off.

When you relax and focus on the target , then your skill can take over, your talent can develop in debate. Then your target becomes less the board, or the person, but the principle of the subject. You have no need to prove your skill, it becomes apparent in your points. And principles of belief is your target, and you won't get frustrated at those principles you are conscious of. You focus your attack on the principles that are being discussed, not the person. And this is maturity, not manipulation.

Religion came first, then Atheism was a reaction to religion. And Atheist are still to this day, reacting and responding to religion, its elder brother on the other side of the coin. The coin is consciousness , and the flip side of belief is unbelief; classic unraveling of the purposed will of God. The human consciousness can only comprehend God, if God allows it; conversely the reason why it does not comprehend God - is God! And I don't think thats understood. What God has made in humanity, he willnot condemn.

Many Christians feel that only their Christian brothers can sharpen them; I disagree with that; Iron sharpens Iron, no matter who the Iron is, and Atheist certainly are Iron. Unbelief can certainly sharpen belief, it does mine! And there is no doubt about this in my mind. Thats why I like to travel from website to website, and glean from person to person. Certain Atheist feel that if a Theist does not agree with them, that they are learning nothing from them, and nothing could be further from the truth. The aquisition of knowledge does not require aggreement. I learn from Christians and religion as well. Although I disagree with religion, Christians and Atheist, they all sharpen me.

And this understanding, as it grows stronger within me, is killing my immaturity in debate. A dying that I gladly die daily.

In fact, I agree with a lot of this. We disagree vehemently, but it isn't personal at all. I just take issue with the sheer mass of assumptions presented as valid without much sound evidential support.

I agree that religion came before atheism, and superstition came before religion and fear of harm, failure, the unknown came before superstition.

Atheism is simply moving on from religion just as religion moved on from superstition. When religion ceases to be a problem, atheism will not be needed and more than we need witch - finders and witch trials.

One learns all the time is debate and I do hope that you are honing your skills in the right way - how to present, support and progress an argument, not how to wrong-foot your opponent, evade the question and shift the goalposts, which is sadly how many theist debaters seem to operate.