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Old 04-01-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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Yes, it's obvious that you change the facts. Glad you can admit it.



The 'fact' is that there are only about 7 billion people on earth, so how can there be 14 billion theists? Is this what you mean by 'changing the facts'?

You know your right, I re-researched it and my figures were WAY off. Good greif, I need to study a bit more in depth and stop giving these websites so much leway.

Thank you.

 
Old 04-01-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Your telling me to stop posting, and I understand why; but your effort to silence me falls on deaf ears, I am going to continue putting this stuff out everyday until I die.

The world is not entirely populated by Atheist, Theist are the dominant; Theist still rule; Theist still are the vast majority.

Now is the day of the Theist.
Theists are no longer the majority in many European countries and non-believers are gaining ground in many other countries. The world will probably never be entirely populated by atheists but religion will surely lose its dominant position as our understanding of nature progresses.

Anyway, this is not a good argument in favour of religion. There are many things that were once accepted by the vast majority of people but are no longer considered to be true or good.
 
Old 04-01-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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Theists are no longer the majority in many European countries and non-believers are gaining ground in many other countries. The world will probably never be entirely populated by atheists but religion will surely lose its dominant position as our understanding of nature progresses.

Anyway, this is not a good argument in favour of religion. There are many things that were once accepted by the vast majority of people but are no longer considered to be true or good.

Let the arguement die out, the thread will be closed anyway.
 
Old 04-01-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Let the arguement die out, the thread will be closed anyway.
Running away again Mickiel?
 
Old 04-01-2012, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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There are at least 14 billion Theist all over the earth at this moment, an exact number is hard to calculate, but its in that area.
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The 'fact' is that there are only about 7 billion people on earth, so how can there be 14 billion theists?
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Originally Posted by Mickiel View Post
You know your right, I re-researched it and my figures were WAY off. Good greif, I need to study a bit more in depth and stop giving these websites so much leway.

Thank you.
That's what happens when you rely on 'Lying for Jesus' web-sites.
 
Old 04-01-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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That's what happens when you rely on 'Lying for Jesus' web-sites.

I learned two things from this; to look at the whole website article in full, and to research the information itself that I draw from it, instead of quickly posting it.
 
Old 04-01-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I learned two things from this; to look at the whole website article in full, and to research the information itself that I draw from it, instead of quickly posting it.
That will help you...A lot!
 
Old 04-01-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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In logic, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument
Which means it is a presumption and is not necessarily true. Just saying this as I once thought "fallacious" meant "false", but it doesn't. A fallacious argument may still be true or it may even be most likely to be true.

Birds are the only existing animals to be both warm-blooded and egg-laying
Sparrows are warm-blooded and lay eggs
Sparrows are birds

This is fallacious as monotremes are warm-blooded and lay eggs. However exempting them every animal, so far as I know, to fit as "warm blooded and egg-laying" is a bird.

For a more direct example

"Almost all pregnant women agree that a sexual encounter got them pregnant. Therefore pregnancy is caused by sex."

This is directly an argumentum ad populum. That most women agree sex got them pregnant does not mean sex did get them pregnant. Popular belief is not proof. Even if there is some correlation with them having sex and getting pregnant equating correlation to causation is also a fallacy. I remember reading that the least corrupt countries had higher cell-phone ownership, but that doesn't necessarily mean cell-phones reduce corruption.

However we all, I hope, know pregnancy is indeed caused by sex. Granted with IVF and all there might be more non-sexual pregnancies than in times past, but I think it's still over 80% or so of pregnancies that occur "naturally." Also I think even before we had microscopes to look at sperm or egg people believed sex caused pregnancy.

Consensus is not proof, but it does often make things more likely or at least more plausible.

Anyway as I said at music see you next Sunday. Although I'll add that's Easter, hurrah!

Last edited by Thomas R.; 04-01-2012 at 09:45 PM..
 
Old 04-01-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: under a rock
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Incense and peppermints...and no belief in any gods? Am I getting warm?
 
Old 04-01-2012, 09:53 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Consensus is not proof, but it does often make things more likely or at least more plausible.
Throughout most of history, the consensus was that the sun and all the planets revolved around the earth.

This is why argumentum ad populum is fallacious.
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