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And humanity needs controls. If you teach children that there are no consequences for their actions on earth, they will act accordingly.
You do not have the answers one way or the other, but if you base it upon reality and where logic fits in within our realty, everything that we do has consequences.
So is it not more logical to assume that we have consequences even in death?
Who teaches their kids that there are no consequences for their actions?
What would the consequences after death be? Buried in the wrong graveyard? Once I die there are no consequences that will affect me.
About the Adam and Eve concept...why didn't the flood erase original sin? I thought Noah and his family were supposed to be a renewal of humankind. Isn't that why God let everyone but Noah's family die in the flood? To get rid of the sinners?
um...what possible basis exists for this conclusion?
Who teaches their kids that there are no consequences for their actions?
What would the consequences after death be? Buried in the wrong graveyard? Once I die there are no consequences that will affect me.
The main tenant of atheism is "there is no God."
This implies that there is nobody left to judge us after our heart beats for the last time.
If there is no one left to judge us, there are no consequences.
Atheism is the belief that there are ultimately no consequences for our actions on earth.
Is there a falacy in this or does it not fit in your agenda?
I think a child could figure this one out. Atheism is the ultimate freedom. You can do whatever the hell you want, and when things get hard, simply cease to exist and that's all there is to it.
This implies that there is nobody left to judge us after our heart beats for the last time.
If there is no one left to judge us, there are no consequences.
Atheism is the belief that there are ultimately no consequences for our actions on earth.
Is there a falacy in this or does it not fit in your agenda?
I think a child could figure this one out. Atheism is the ultimate freedom. You can do whatever the hell you want, and when things get hard, simply cease to exist and that's all there is to it.
Is this not true?
It is, in fact, not true. But you refuse to accept this, because it flies in the face of your preconceived judgments. So you will continue to spout blatant lies, as it serves your purpose and you are happy to be ignorant.
1 Timothy 4:4 begins with: "For everything created by God is good"
I know this passage is regarding forbidden foods, but if God created us, then from this passage are we not also good?
You're right about the context. To your larger point, when God created mankind, He gave us free will to choose. When man chose evil, he no longer was "good". God, in His divine mercy, provided a way for us to become righteous again. That avenue is the redemptive work of Christ.
It is, in fact, not true. But you refuse to accept this, because it flies in the face of your preconceived judgments. So you will continue to spout blatant lies, as it serves your purpose and you are happy to be ignorant.
Explain how this is not true, when clearly it is.
Let's set up a scenario:
Parent: "Son, there is no God."
Son: "Does this mean that when I die, I will cease to exist?"
Parent: "Yes."
Son: "So, this means that there won't be any judgement for my actions on earth because if I cease to exist, and there is no God, there is no one left to judge, and even if there was, I cease to exist, so it is irrelevant."
Parent: "Technically yes, but people will judge you, and we've created laws to deal with bad behavior."
Son: "Suppose somebody invented a weapon of some sort powerful enough to where no man can enforce the law upon this person. Let's say this man abuses his powers in ways that are seriously detrimental to society in the sense that he creates mass genocide. Are you telling me, that when this person dies, there are no consequences for how he lived his life on earth?"
Parent: "Well...uh...no, uh that's not what atheism is about."
Son:WhatModerator cut: editare you talking about?"
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I don't know if atheists believe in sin, but I think it's safe to say that they atleast understand the concept of sin.
With that said, do you actually believe you do not sin?
Do I do things that are harmful to myself and others? Sure. Minor things. I don't eat as well as I should. I use more resources than I probably need to. Sometimes I can be snippy and rude with friends and loved ones. I could probably stand to volunteer more/give more to charity.
But I also don't do any of the "major sins." I don't commit murder. I don't commit adultery. I don't rape or steal or push old folk out of the way as I'm walking.
As an aside, atheists don't believe in "sin" the way you do. Atheists, of course, can have any number of beliefs when it comes down to morality, but generally I'd say that most try to do what they believe is in the best interest, and avoid things that are harmful.
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