Originally Posted by Mickiel:
(My selected highlights to prove
this poster is scientifically literate
in the extreme, and also operates in his life by walking around in a state of awe. As well, he comes to his various illogical conclusions by making huge jumps in his argument, such as in blue
1. Well there are only two ways we could have gotten here;
Created by a God, or we created ourselves out of nothing
. And I just can't get to that nothing senerio; it makes absoultely no sense to me that humanity " Came out from under a rock",
which miraculously appeared one day out of nothing-
exploded and created chemicals out of that, and eventually formulated, over billions of years, into an ameba, which eventually formed into a fish, which eventually formed into a walking fish, which miraculously learned to breathe air, and just as miraculously transformed itself into an ape! Which later grew itself into a thinking, rational human being.
2. Secondly, that fish you displayed was created as is, it did not evolve, nor is it currently evolving.
I would like to see proof of either of those two. Or for that matter, show me any creature on this earth that is currently evolving.
3. Show me the proof of current evolution of; lets say 10 creatures, animal or whatever. Since you claim everything on earth is evolving, 10 proofs should not be difficult to back up."
Next, a quote from the ever-reasonable and calm sanspeur
, who, despite the onslaught of intransigence, blindered awe-ish-ness and obfuscation demonstrated by Mickiel
, still moves forward with such rational conclusions as this:
"If you were a reasonable debater I probably would do that, but since you think you are a walking, talking encyclopedia, and plenty of evidence has already been offered and offhandedly dismissed by you, it would be an exercise in futility...
I have never before encountered such a self proclaimed expert such as you, and as a "people watcher" I find you and your ego mildly interesting."
Now then: Ten proofs of evolution you say? Heck, that's simple.
Homo erectus (PS: that'd be your ancestors, Mickiel
! Unless... you are an alien.. Sayyy; I hadn't thought of that....)
Ursus maritimus (from...)
Acenetobacter spp. (Rapidly evolving into what's now colloquially called "Iraqibacter spp.
"* since it's now showing up in returning US soldiers from Iraq, but wasn't seen previous to that skirmish.
Danged if it hasn't evolved
to take the opportunities we've provided it...)
(and finally course, this nice family, whose DNA proves their inherited familial ties)
Hominidae: [spp: Pan, Gorilla, Pongo & Homo
] Hominidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Which brings my quick list to well over 10
. BTW, there's at least a million
species out there, and many of them weren't around even 100 yrs ago; small oceanic multi-celled organisms, all responding to ecological changes. Plus, the now-missing Cro-Magnons, Neanderthals, and others who "arose" not in any Creationist's Garden of Eden, and now are gone, all overtaken by ecological [Evolutionary] competition. Adaptive Evolution, we all it. Wow, huh?
of the above, plus everything else that lives or ever did live on this planet; all proven to have evolved, through of course, the elements and process mechanisms that you simplistically & categorically dismiss and deny (because you won't [...or perhaps can't
? Hadn't thought of that option either... Hmmm...] read anything
, preferring to just be "in stupid awe of...")
But hey; you asked for a proof? Why then have you not
read the summary of Dr. Richard Lenski's 2008 studies, ongoing to this day at generation 33,000+, with all his study generation's DNA dutifully sampled and stored in his freezer from 22 years ago
, before he even knew bout our recently acquired ability to map any specie's DNA. With absolute accuracy. No discussion or denials possible, though I'm sure the COBI will find a way to dismiss it.... Dr. Lenski's study design: talk about elegan and conscientious, eh, Mickiel
? Oh, and irrefutable too. 'Ceptin' to you of course, because you WON'T read it.
Lenski CATEGORICALLY demonstrated the evolution of a bacterium into a new
species occupying a new
niche that the older species could not utilize?
Then, here's another simple question for your Omniscient
** mind, Mickiel
If God" insta-poof" created us all as you claim (oh, and out of nothing, which you seem to have a big problem with elsewhere...)
there's also no demonstrable Evolution going on anywhere, any time, then, uhhmmm
... how come our mappable Hominid genomes are all different? Even between tribes & races, but within humans?
You want to compare your
personal genome map to that of an Aussie Aboriginal? You wish to compare, let's say, yours to that of a Japanese individual? Or an Apache? Then, we can also compare the average genome of a white American now with that of the same type of individual back, let's say, 500 yrs ago.
Guess what you'll see? Go ahead: just guess.
OK, you don't know the answer or won't answer, I understand.
So, I'll tell you: Absolute Proof of Evolution and Adaptation.
You obsequiously ask for proof, but then you run and hide.
But OK: please... I'm asking politely
prove ME wrong. How?
Why, it's simple, Mickiel
! Just read Lenski's publication abstract, if you even know how to find such stuff.
Then report back and refute, point by point, exactly
where he is wrong, and where the chance mutation of the test organism's DNA did NOT produce a new species. (That's "species" by our definition, not some concocted stupidity from SICCO
: the Supremely Intransigent Church of the Curiously Omniscient...
...also known out on the streets as the Church of The Obviously Banal & Intransigent
and so on and so forth....
*Notes on "Iraqibactor
"s evolutionary rise: [circa 2012, from the notable CDC, who know a h%ll of a lot more about these "bugs" and their ongoing evolution than you will ever accept, in your vast and pathological intransigence]
is a species
of pathogenic bacteria, referred to as an aerobic gram-negative bacterium, that is now resistant to most antibiotics.
 As a result of its new resistance to drug treatment, some estimates state the disease is killing tens of thousands of U.S. hospital patients each year, and specialists say "they could emerge as a bigger threat."
"Emerge"? "Emerge"???? ***
How, one wonders?
**: "Omniscience is the capacity to know everything infinitely"
1. To rise from or as if from immersion
2. To come forth from obscurity
3. To become evident
4. To come into existence
Tell us, oh Omniscient One, you who cannot even spell
bio-technical terms correctly in your posts...
: Yuppers! FurShur, Thadd'be you
, of course.
Yup: a classic case of a vast untouchable ego coupled with an even more vast and preferred
intransigence, all run amok on a forum!