Clear demonstration of christian bigotry. (Catholic, contradiction, Christianity, believe)

[Terryj]

I have nothing against gay marriages, it is their constitutional right. There is a sentence in the Declaration of Independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

You will notice it says "All men" this means "everyone" no one person or group of person are excluded.
You will notice is states "their" Creator: Whom ever that may be, it doesn't pertain to the Christian God.
You will also notice: "unalienable rights" this means they were born with these rights which can not be removed.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, this has nothing to do with Christanity, it has to do with a person choices, and they have the right to these choices as long as it doesn't bring harm to others.

To deny a person of their choice just because "you" don't approve is bigotry.

[FredNotBob]

Originally Posted by Blue Hue

Oh .../.ok

So you need further explanation is that right? Perfect.

Well its very simple...you guys want to talk about gay people. I have nothing against gay people however believe they are sick and need help not encouragement.

Ideas of marriage are encouragement. If you have trouble comprehending this part I cannot help you.

I can send you a PM with my reasons based on happenings in our hospitals if you like.....would that be ok, reason being the details would not be suitable for public chatting.

The weird thing about the gay propaganda attention baloney....is that the general public is so daft that the whole momentum of this aversion is , well you know...forgotton. So what is it exactly that gay people are..? does anyone know....or should we just forget about that part? Oh no ...they don't hurt anyone....Ya ok....well if they count as individuals then maybe they are hurting themselves. Wheres a few statistics.

Training, discipline army ethic ....give me a royal break.

To this, I have one thing to say:

The legal system that allows a gay man to marry his partner also protect your right to spew this hateful nonsense.

You cry about 'gay propaganda' -- I throw it right back at you, along with your own example of mindless religious bigotry.

Let me spell it out for you:

Sixty years ago, a man waged his own personal crusade -- against homosexuals, against Jews, against the Romani. His 'logic' (and I use the term very loosely) in justifying such violent racism and homophobia echoes much of what you've said here.

It's sad that you've chosen to emulate his vitriol.

[Asheville Native]

I'm beginning to suspect that I was to subtle in my OP, for when I say christian bigotry, many seem to assume the topic is gay marriage. But it also demonstrates the message of christianity today is bigotry. Bigotry based on christianity has a long and very ugly history, and yet many cling to the ignorance with all their might.

The map image I posted does pretty much define the bible belt, but that is not the data plotted. What the map represents is the states that prohibited inter-racial until 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled these laws based on christian hatred unconstitutional.

Today the stupid christian hatred and overwhelming to impose that hatred on all is the same, only the targeted group is different.

What minority group is next (after gay marriage bans go the way of inter-racial marriage bans), left handed people, red heads?

[NoCapo]

Wow, where to begin? I'll try to keep this to the point.

Originally Posted by Blue Hue

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Homosexuality has been around alot longer than the DSM or any study of mental illness. It has been accepted in various cultures, in various times, as allowable, acceptable, or even laudable. It seems from my limited knowledge of world religions that the Abrahamic faiths and those cultures heavily influenced by them are the main sources of systemic anti-homosexual bias. The fact that western science has historically assumed that homosexuality is aberrant behavior says much more about the roots of western culture, and not so much about homosexuality.


Regarding your thought experiment, I wanted to clarify something. I am assuming that in addition to a homosexual couple, the neighbors include a muslim family who chooses to slaughter their own meat in their religious tradition. If I am incorrect in this assumption, please feel free to clarify what you meant.

Assuming this is the case, first off I would congratulate the young couple on their choice of neighborhoods. It is a stereotype, but one with some truth behind it. When the gays and the artists move into a low cost urban area, housing values are on the way up. This neighborhood is quite possibly on its way to gentrification. They have chosen their neighbors wisely.

I notice that you have decided to make the assumption that the gay couple is going to be promiscuous and exhibitionistic. It seems like these traits are what you are objecting to. Bab neighbors are bad neighbors, no matter who they sleep with. Lets tweak this assumption to remove the unfounded assumption. Assume that two grandmotherly ladies are living happily with each other as longtime partners. They are polite and considerate but make no more point of hiding their relationship than any elderly hetero couple. Why is this bad? You children see two human being sharing their lives with each other, being deeply committed to each other, and having a wealth of life experiences. I would love for my children to see this, gay or straight.

Going back to the muslim family, first I think it would be important for you as the parent to understand they are not killing pets, they are killing food so that you don't misinform your kids. Little Jimmy needs to understand that meat comes from animals. I see it as a perfect way to teach your children about a different culture, a different religion, dietary laws, and the responsibility that comes with raising animals for food. Maybe you could even learn from them so you an slaughter your own meat, as what you are witnessing in their back yard is infinitely more humane than what happens at commercial slaughterhouses and feedlots. Assuming, again, that the muslims are good neighbors, I would invite them over for dinner. I don't think there is any danger of this damaging your children.

Equating homosexuals and muslims to a criminal street gang is really disingenuous. There is nothing inherent in either of these groups that devalues a neighborhood, or imposes on you in a meaningful way. Where specific behavior degrades a neighborhood, there are already ways to handle that through city ordinances, homeowners associations, and the like. Discriminating against a class of people, or "specific life approach" is not only ineffective, it is also un-american and illegal.

NoCapo

[NoCapo]

Originally Posted by Blue Hue

Your question isn't even an issue. No regular family would not be very disturbed by an active & social gay household, right next door.

Don't think so?

Imagine calling a real estate agent and saying...I want you to mention to all of your currently projected family sales....that you just found out the neighbors are a couple of very sociable & nice gay guys. ( average 30-50 frontage...whats that 90% of family housing enviorement

I already made this point above, but I'll reiterate here. As a buyer, I would be thrilled. Often the artists and the gays are the first in to gentrify an area. This is a sign that you might be on the front of a rise in local real estate values. If the schools are good, you should really consider it!

NoCapo

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Blue Hue

Your question isn't even an issue. No regular family would not be very disturbed by an active & social gay household, right next door.

Don't think so?

Imagine calling a real estate agent and saying...I want you to mention to all of your currently projected family sales....that you just found out the neighbors are a couple of very sociable & nice gay guys. ( average 30-50 frontage...whats that 90% of family housing enviorement

Can I ask you how many gay families you personally know? I know several and they are not at all the way you describe, but are generally quiet people who are considerate of others, neighbors included....The only disruptive partiers I've ever had in my neighborhood were not gay, but thankfully they moved.

[Blue Hue]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Can I ask you how many gay families you personally know? I know several and they are not at all the way you describe, but are generally quiet people who are considerate of others, neighbors included....The only disruptive partiers I've ever had in my neighborhood were not gay, but thankfully they moved.

What is a gay family ? you mean a group of people under one roof, or I donno what your talking about....plus you guys can say anything pro Moderator cut: deleted but if I try to answer in a very polite respectable manner it may get pulled for off topic...so

many people including myself believe with evidence that while the preference may be due to some kind of biological mix up....it is in fact a mix up.

As far as... do I know any gay couples.....no I only have known of a few and basically have found a more then reasonable groping for acceptence which I find not only a little off centre but very understandable. I discourage off center friendships....doesn't everyone? Also....I happen to be a very smart looking guy...blonde , blue eyes ( premium blend....4 perfect parts ...English, French ..Ital...Irish) and its impossible not to be stupid and ignore what I have found to be a sure bet in un-welcome weird looks ect from this crowd. So no....I find for normality and reccomend serious mix ups to the professionals who have the training and experience. Oh....gay stuff was never even discussed in my religeous upbringing so.....whatta all talkin about anyway??? You think an all guy Catholic high school with about 800 enrollment has time for the word gay with an all girl high school with huge enrollment about a couple of Kl away? come on

[looking4answers12]

Ashe,

I just wish you could see that you sometimes (often?) come across as biggoted against religious folks and SOME of these religious folks are in their mutiple bigotries (sorry if my grammar is off as usual).

Biggotry is wrong all the way around.

Blue Hue,

Is there any way you can edit whatever it was that you were referring to as unacceptable in a public forum? I have to say, even without hearing your ER stories, I suspect that you are buying into a lot of unfair stereotypes. But I can't help but be curious as to what "stories" you are using to justify your beliefs.

[mikebnllnb]

Originally Posted by Blue Hue

What is a gay family ? you mean a group of people under one roof, or I donno what your talking about....plus you guys can say anything pro preverted but if I try to answer in a very polite respectable manner it may get pulled for off topic...so

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Your stance is one of the reasons why religion is viewed in a negative light by many.

The majority of opposition the gay community faces comes from religious people. Why? Why not ignore what is said in the Bible about homosexuality like many other things are ignored?

[Blue Hue]

Originally Posted by mikebnllnb

I personally have a tough time seeing your posts as anything but extremely bigoted when you refer to gays as perverted.


Your stance is one of the reasons why religion is viewed in a negative light by many.

The majority of opposition the gay community faces comes from religious people. Why? Why not ignore what is said in the Bible about homosexuality like many other things are ignored?

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So I see simple use of the english language without a personalized adjective is noted as extremely bigoted. I think this slant should be retracted, unless theres something I'm missing. Is there something I'm missing, please explain.

The third paragraph goes off topic. If you read my earlier comment it would be obvious that my religous ideas or convictions have nothing to do with opinion in a direct way. The influence in this area is non-existent. It was NEVER discussed. My observations are tailored around decency and the majorities reasonable expectation and outcome in existing in an enviorment favorable to bringing up future citizens. Adults have an impact on children because, they are in fact adults ect ect and re-entering ideas in last post which may have been cut...so