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Old 03-20-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Moses wrote the first five books called the Penteteuch.
How do you know?
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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I think it's possible that there was a change in terminology or a translation problem at some point. The Hebrews were quite aware of the lunar cycle; maybe they used lunar months to measure age, and the word got misconstrued as "years" at some point. At 12.368 lunar months per year, 900 lunar months is about 72.75 years - a quite reasonable lifespan.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I think it's possible that there was a change in terminology or a translation problem at some point. The Hebrews were quite aware of the lunar cycle; maybe they used lunar months to measure age, and the word got misconstrued as "years" at some point. At 12.368 lunar months per year, 900 lunar months is about 72.75 years - a quite reasonable lifespan.
We will now need to revise the 6000-year old earth argument...
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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We will now need to revise the 6000-year old earth argument...
I think that means the Earth was created when Rod Carew still played second base for the twins.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Moses wrote the first five books called the Penteteuch. Most likely Joshua, who took over the leadership from Moses wrote about Moses' death.
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How do you know?
Exo 24:4 "Now Moses wrote all the words of Yahweh. And he rose early in the morning and built an altar below the mountain and twelve stone monuments for the twelve tribes of Israel."

Exo 34:27 "Yahweh said to Moses: Write for yourself these words, for at the bidding of these words I contract with you a covenant and with Israel.

Deu 31:9 "Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, the carriers of the coffer of the covenant of Yahweh, and to all the elders of Israel."
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Exo 24:4 "Now Moses wrote all the words of Yahweh. And he rose early in the morning and built an altar below the mountain and twelve stone monuments for the twelve tribes of Israel."

Exo 34:27 "Yahweh said to Moses: Write for yourself these words, for at the bidding of these words I contract with you a covenant and with Israel.

Deu 31:9 "Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, the carriers of the coffer of the covenant of Yahweh, and to all the elders of Israel."
But that is a claim, not a proof. What you're saying is no different than someone else suggesting that a monkey really flew over the oceans while carrying a mountain... because there is written in the scriptures. It must be true. No?
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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Exo 24:4 "Now Moses wrote all the words of Yahweh. And he rose early in the morning and built an altar below the mountain and twelve stone monuments for the twelve tribes of Israel."

Exo 34:27 "Yahweh said to Moses: Write for yourself these words, for at the bidding of these words I contract with you a covenant and with Israel.

Deu 31:9 "Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, the carriers of the coffer of the covenant of Yahweh, and to all the elders of Israel."
Yeh - he wrote all the words of the law/teachings (Hebrew word: torah) according to these verses. Now, we use the same term Torah (instructions, teachings) to refer to the so-called "five books of Moses" (or the Pentateuch), which are not the same thing as the covenant code that is being referred to in these verses.

The Pentateuch is not what is being referred to. You can't seriously be this...uninformed, can you? Torah is a general word for "teachings/instructions", as well as a catch-alll term for the covenant code, AND as a reference to the Pentateuch. You are clearly confusing the terms.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Moses wrote the actual first five books of the Hebrew Bible. That would arise later as a Jewish tradition which has long been shown to be incorrect.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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A more basic question: why are these things important? Would it bother you the same way if you didn't know where George Washington was buried?
Rlegious people talk about how visible things aren't important, yet the Church display many visible things to ''try'' and convince people.

The things on display are the Temples and all their lavish artworks and costly woods and stones and fashioned metals.

Yet the first important thing on display is the Bible itself,how the Preachers wield that big book like a shining bright sword for all the gathered members to be reminded of when the church service is in progress. Also lots of people wear religious clothing and jewelery. Silver and Gold Crosses,and those Mormons on those bikes,hey if that isn't to say''look at us''.

Those things and many more are designed to be physichally held by the observers eye.

Does this sounds familiar? Faith without works is Dead..... So show the Graves,show the Ark of the Covenant, Show Noah's Ark or at least show the power of God by the Amputees having their limbs made completely whole by the Miraculous Scriptural work of the Laying on of the Hands

It's like the Miracles that so many people claim,though it's only through the power of hearsay. Yes,the Churches BOASTS about all the Miracles happening on a daily basis throughout the world, YET when people like myself and non believers ask for verification we are told not to look for confirmation, as only unbelievers look for signs. Hey,doesn't the Bible tell us that Miracles will happen to confirm those who have recieved power from on High?

See if people would belief in the teachings if the Bible weren't to be physically seen.

The Church couldn't exist here on Earth unless there was visible things to see and touch.

I remind you believers again..Faith without works is Dead
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Maybe if you could find evidence that people took the flying monkey story as factual just as they took the historical records you might have a leg to limp on.
There are millions of Hindus that believe in such things...three-headed elephants for example.
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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Exo 24:4 "Now Moses wrote all the words of Yahweh. And he rose early in the morning and built an altar below the mountain and twelve stone monuments for the twelve tribes of Israel."

Exo 34:27 "Yahweh said to Moses: Write for yourself these words, for at the bidding of these words I contract with you a covenant and with Israel.

Deu 31:9 "Then Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, the carriers of the coffer of the covenant of Yahweh, and to all the elders of Israel."
So who wrote this?


"These were the kings who reigned in Edom before any Israelite king reigned:" (Genesis 36:31)

How would Moses have known of Israelite kings 500 years BEFORE there was an Israelite king?

Lemme guess. God gave him future vision, right?
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