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Really! Perhaps you have different scriptures to everyone else.
"Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?" (Matthew 13:55). Check also... Gal 1:19; Jo 2:12; Jo 7:3-5.
The man-god's brothers are mentioned in several other Bible verses. Matthew 12:46. Luke 8:19. Mark 3:31 say that his mother and brothers came to see Him.
Your Bible also claims, in Matthew 13:56 that your man-god had sisters, but they are not named or numbered. In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14; His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother.
Now I'm sure that you will claim that they were not brothers, but 'cousins' but cousin is 'anepsios' whilst brothers is 'adelphoi' In the above verses it's written "adelphoi" in the original Greek.
I'm sure that you will also try to claim that in the Semitic language the word for brother was the same for cousin.
I don't know why I'm bothering as you have already been given some of the above verses earlier by Capt Dan and ignored it. You also ignored the question I put to you in post #96. Do you make a habit of ignoring people?
Im sorry I could not answer sooner, however I dont get to the internet too much. Joseph was an elderly widower at the time he was betrothed to Mary. He already had a family and thus was willing to become the guardian of a virgin consecrated to God. The stepbrother hypothesis was the most common explanation of the brethren of the Lord until St. Jerome popularized the cousin hypothesis just before the year 400.
The stepbrother hypothesis is also supported by the fact that Joseph apparently was significantly older than Mary, as he appears to have died before our Lord's public ministry began.
We are all brothers and sisters of and in The Lord our God.
Im sorry I could not answer sooner, however I dont get to the internet too much. Joseph was an elderly widower at the time he was betrothed to Mary. He already had a family and thus was willing to become the guardian of a virgin consecrated to God. The stepbrother hypothesis was the most common explanation of the brethren of the Lord until St. Jerome popularized the cousin hypothesis just before the year 400.
The stepbrother hypothesis is also supported by the fact that Joseph apparently was significantly older than Mary, as he appears to have died before our Lord's public ministry began.
We are all brothers and sisters of and in The Lord our God.
Sarah.
I would rather post on the Noah's waste disposal thread than discuss this stuff, but I have to observe that the only reason to suggest that Joseph was an old guy with a family, already and was Mary's guardian rather than husband and the 'brothers and sisters' of Jesus were really cousins, or half- siblings, is to prop up this virgin birth idea.
Without that, Joseph was the sort of husband one would expect a nice Jewish girl to be betrothed to, Jesus was her first - born son (born in the natural way) which implies that the others were her second, third and fourth- born children and Joseph was their father. Which is actually what the Gospels say and fiddling them to try to make them say something else is just translation - tinkering to try to make the later theological god- man beliefs work.
When it comes down to it, there in no reason for anyone who has not already bought it, to buy any of it.
I would rather post on the Noah's waste disposal thread than discuss this stuff, but I have to observe that the only reason to suggest that Joseph was an old guy with a family, already and was Mary's guardian rather than husband and the 'brothers and sisters' of Jesus were really cousins, or half- siblings, is to prop up this virgin birth idea.
Without that, Joseph was the sort of husband one would expect a nice Jewish girl to be betrothed to, Jesus was her first - born son (born in the natural way) which implies that the others were her second, third and fourth- born children and Joseph was their father. Which is actually what the Gospels say and fiddling them to try to make them say something else is just translation - tinkering to try to make the later theological god- man beliefs work.
When it comes down to it, there in no reason for anyone who has not already bought it, to buy any of it.
Hear! Hear! Nothing but apologist tripe from sister Sarah.
HEY! I dont believe in everything Ms. Sarah writes here either. But I will fight for her right to believe it .....
So would I - but it wouldn't alter the fact that all she has posted so far is apologist tripe. Her...or some other apologists 'interpretation' into what she WANTS the Bible to say rather than accepting the actual words that it DOES say.
I would rather post on the Noah's waste disposal thread than discuss this stuff, but I have to observe that the only reason to suggest that Joseph was an old guy with a family, already and was Mary's guardian rather than husband and the 'brothers and sisters' of Jesus were really cousins, or half- siblings, is to prop up this virgin birth idea.
Without that, Joseph was the sort of husband one would expect a nice Jewish girl to be betrothed to, Jesus was her first - born son (born in the natural way) which implies that the others were her second, third and fourth- born children and Joseph was their father. Which is actually what the Gospels say and fiddling them to try to make them say something else is just translation - tinkering to try to make the later theological god- man beliefs work.
When it comes down to it, there in no reason for anyone who has not already bought it, to buy any of it.
Jesus' conception did not involve Joseph or any other human. the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Luke, tells us this. Matthew 1:25:"But he [Joseph] had no [sexual] union with her until she gave birth to a son..." (NIV)
Also, all of your mainstream protestants profess this. Its the non-denominational sects that do NOT profess the whole word of God and or the bible.
So would I - but it wouldn't alter the fact that all she has posted so far is apologist tripe. Her...or some other apologists 'interpretation' into what she WANTS the Bible to say rather than accepting the actual words that it DOES say.
The basis for the belief in the Immaculate Conception of Mary can be found in the Biblical revelation of holiness and the opposite of that state, sinfulness. God is revealed as perfect interior holiness. Is 6:3 "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts!" they (the Seraphim) cried one to the other. No sin or anything tainted with sin can stand in the face of the holiness of God. "Enmity" is that mutual hatred between Mary and sin, between Christ and sin. Gen 3:15 I will put enmity between you (the serpent, Satan) and the woman (Mary), and between your offspring (minions of Satan) and hers (Jesus); He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel. For the birth of God as a human being, God was interested in the condition of the mother's womb. For even a great, but imperfect, judge of Israel, Samson, God was directive about the state of the mother during the pregnancy. The request for the mother to be pure is repeated for emphasis. Judges 13:3-4 An angel of the LORD appeared to the woman and said to her, "Though you are barren and have had no children, yet you will conceive and bear a son. Now, then, be careful to take no wine or strong drink and to eat nothing unclean." Judges 13:7 "But he (the angel) said to me, 'You will be with child and will bear a son. So take neither wine nor strong drink, and eat nothing unclean. For the boy shall be consecrated to God from the womb, until the day of his death.' " Judges 13:13-14 The angel of the LORD answered Manoah, "Your wife is to abstain from all the things of which I spoke to her. She must not eat anything that comes from the vine, nor take wine or strong drink, nor eat anything unclean. Let her observe all that I have commanded her." How much more would God be interested in the state of His own mother's womb! The salutation of the Angel Gabriel is different from the usual angelic greeting. It indicates that Mary was exceptionally "highly favored with grace" (Greek: charitoo, used twice in the New Testament, in Lk 1:28 for Mary - before Christ's redemption; and Eph 1:6 for Christ's grace to us - after Christ's redemption). Lk 1:28 And coming to her (Mary), he (the angel Gabriel) said, "Hail, favored one (kecharitomene)" Eph 1:4-6 (God) chose us in him (Jesus), before the foundation of the world, to be holy and without blemish before him. In love he destined us for adoption to himself through Jesus Christ, in accord with the favor of his will, for the praise of the glory of his grace (echaritosen) that he granted us in the beloved. Note that the angel's salutation preceded Mary's acquiescence. Mary was already highly favored. God's grace was not given in time after Mary accepted the angel's word. The Church believes that this grace was given from the very beginning of Mary's life. It is clearly grace because at the time of Mary's conception she could have done nothing to earn it. The constant faith (paradosis) the holiness of the person of Mary to bear in her body the most holy person of the Son of God.
"Thus the early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes, "[W]here in practice was [the] apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. . . . Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it.."
Sarah
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