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What if religious people suddenly discovered that God wasn't outside of them, something to be worshipped or prayed to, but an integral PART OF THEMSELVES -- and that by going to church and listening to what OTHERS said about God, they'd been turning away from Him all their lives?
Oh it exists now. But it was purposely populated after Jesus was said to have died. It wasn't a city when Jesus was said to be alive.
The expression 'Jesus of Nazareth' is actually a bad translation of the original Greek 'Jesous o Nazoraios' - 'Jesus the Nazarene'. Nazarene wasn't a place, it was a description of the Jewish-Christian sect – a faction, or off-shoot, of the Essenes.
But I would appreciate Daniels, Whoppers, Mirca, or some other person knowledgeable about this issue to chime in.
You are correct, Jesus of Nazareth is a mistranslation of Jesus of the Nazareans
You are also correct, Nazareans were an offshoot of essenes. Plenty of evidence that the historic Jesus may have been one, as evidenced by his nomadic ministry and close following who seemed to all live together.
What if religious people suddenly discovered that God wasn't outside of them, something to be worshipped or prayed to, but an integral PART OF THEMSELVES -- and that by going to church and listening to what OTHERS said about God, they'd been turning away from Him all their lives?
Well, for starters, if they were females, they wouldn't call it 'Him'.
Well, while I may see Jesus and the Nazorenes as part of the Pharisee movement rather than the Essene movement, I think we can agree that any real (or 'historical') Jesus is certain to have been a Jew and an observing Jew and not a sabbath - breaker and rubbisher of kosher food laws as 'most people think' because of the gospel story.
What if religious people suddenly discovered that God wasn't outside of them, something to be worshipped or prayed to, but an integral PART OF THEMSELVES -- and that by going to church and listening to what OTHERS said about God, they'd been turning away from Him all their lives?
After a life time of contemplation I believe you are on to something. We must avoid the full idea that "we are god"- Our intelligence dictates that is can never be true and is out of order.
Often wondering about the idea of holy spirit- or the essence of GOD. I finally understood that God likes to take a life time ride in your body and look out of yur eyes..I believe that this all powerful entity gets a little kick out of being human for a few moments. Jesus never blurted out the idea that he was GOD himself..others tried to pin this blaspheming on him..Christ knew that God does and can reside in every person. That was part of his message.
I remember going through a period of transformation...I was on top the material world- Had a good income- a very interesting job...nice vehicle- a great family- and a sweet little house in the country in a type of gated community...It was a heavenly place with little roads through the forest..a pretty little lake...BUT there was something missing...The truth- and what reality was as far as human existence.
One night I was taking the north road into the community..it was very dark...and I said a little prayer..."Let me be you for a few moments" - I wanted to know what it was like NOT to be human..I respected the fact that God grants all if asked...It was not a Satanic request of rebellion...So- as I drove along - for about 30 seconds I got to be divine- stood in God's shoes as they say- It was remarkable...but as a human being if you stayed in that state to long- you would cease to exist and disappear.
This kind of divine existence is not in need of a body..or even a world as we know it...It was a strange and intense period I was going through..It was about wanting to KNOW...It changed my life- Being human is kind of tragic in the fact that we have god like qualities and that we are mortal and it comes to an end-
The trick is to know your place- to be in order and to be lawful as far as the human condition is concerned - to respect the knowing that you are but a bit of flesh and you are temporal...It is not so much about submission or surrender...it is about reality- that you are a temporary creature...who will never attain godhood..but will have a taste of the divine - kind of like a father allowing his son a sip of forbidden wine.
Religion is put together as a way of humiliation of humanity- and barring them from entering the realm of the divine...It is an evil device of control---SERIOUSLY speaking religion for the most part can only be described as SATANIC...on the part of those that control it. Christianity was supposed to be a state of mind where you could get to the father through the instructions of Jesus Christ....It was not so much that Jesus was the son of God- He was like any off us - adopted- not adopted by God- but adopting God as your father....
Once the father is at the head of your existence- all is in order and all is righteous and the more chances will arrive for this miracle of earth to be the heaven it was designed as.
Clue- "There are violent men that try to take heaven by force (violence or coersion)"
This stunning bit of scripture --IF there are MEN or (human beings) in heaven- then where is heaven? It is here...for there are no men in other heavens.....
Look at the void of space and imagine yourself a disembodied spirit moving on the deep- and you came to this Eden- this earth- It is a miracle...and those that attempt to play God - damage this heaven- they will never own it but in the meantime they are so damned irritating.
FYI, Mormons don't believe Jesus Christ was "from another planet." They believe He was in Heaven with His Father prior to His conception and birth to the Virgin Mary.
Jesus was popular before he even came to earth, know your old testement history.
Paul and his friends were admitted followers of Jesus, students of Jesus, believers in Jesus.
John the Baptist felt he was not even worthy to Baptise Jesus.
Your perspective is seriously lacking true biblical understanding. Know your bible!
Wait a a second!! I know MY Old Testament. And the Jewish people that it was written to/about still dont think Jesus was all that! It is only speculation by John The Baptist that Jesus was some sort of Savior. I dont believe he offered any proof.
The birth narratives are not considered historically all too accurate.
Of course they are.
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