what makes one become so religious? (belief, Christ, religion, religions)

[Oakback]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by Oakback
If you change Jesus Christ with God then I'll agree 100% with you. To me God = (abstract) Love and Jesus is the example for concrete love.

Now I hafta pat you on the back.
Dang, for some reason I can't.
Guess it has to be another time then.

Hmmmm.....I"ll have to check the doctrine....I mean the church teac.......

Awe heck, I AGREE

[june 7th]

Originally Posted by Oakback

It's Love!!!!! Really

It's not the memory of it, it's not the reflection of it, it's not symbolic.

In a relationship with another person ( my wife for example ) there is a give and take between us that is intangible. If we are truely selfless with each other, the relationship flourishes. The are also times of distance, lack of communication, unsecurity, fear etc....,
I don't believe Love is an invention of man.

Okay, bear with me...

June gets "love." June is actually fairly good at "love." June has more than experienced "love" and June loves "love." HOWEVER....

Despite the fact that I do feel that "love" is an emotion, what I am trying to say is that I feel that there is something in believing that while it is consistent with, congruent even, with love, that it doesn't = god. I say this only because man's belief in god is ancient, and has presented itself in so many various forms. I think if it was as seemingly easy, simple, as love = god then June would be a believer right now. While June is all for love, (and some might even say "in love") at the same time, I am struggling with the notion that "god" is somehow other than that. I don't question that in the Christian mind that god IS love, and I do, (to a certain extent) understand that, having studied that. I get it.

What I don't "get" is if there is really a god, then how in the world can that god be "known" (and apparrently be known so well) by people? I think artists are capable of tapping into something via their creativity that drives them to create; I think that there is a deeply rooted "sense of" or the desire to "know" that has been consistent through time, over time, in man...

But it is the "definition of" that I cannot pin down. That I also cannot know.

I am also not being terribly clear; I am not making much sense this afternoon...

Last attempt:

What is it that could seemingly exist, independant of our subjective experiences? and how could that be known?

???

Take gentle care

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Oakback

Hmmmm.....I"ll have to check the doctrine....I mean the church teac.......

Awe heck, I AGREE

So you think we need to be pierced or something?
I mean real man in other religions either get baptised or become circumcised.

OOOoowww I got it; we can get a tattoo as proof of our religion.



Originally Posted by june 7th

What is it that could seemingly exist, independant of our subjective experiences? and how could that be known?

Love is ego and at the same time ego-less. You become the other and the other becomes you.

Never pretend to a love which you do not actually feel, for love is not ours to command.
Alan Watts

To love deeply in one direction makes us more loving in all others.
Anne-Sophie Swetchine

What else is love but understanding and rejoicing in the fact that another person lives, acts, and experiences otherwise than we do…?
Friedrich Nietzsche
German philosopher (1844 - 1900)

Love is the difficult realization that something other than oneself is real.
Iris Murdoch
British novelist (1919 - 1999)

The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung
Swiss psychologist (1875 - 1961)

[weatherologist]

Quote:
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung
Swiss psychologist (1875 - 1961)

I especially like this one, June.

[Tricky D]

Really subtle Weather.
In bold letters no less.
Were they out of flashing neon letters?

Or were the letters aimed for Montana?

Cuz like the Blues Brothers I'm on a mission from God.
I thought I, as the main man from PINK, was supposed to be workin' in mysterious ways an' all.

[june 7th]

We're getting close to what June is attempting to get at. Your quotes were tremendous:

Allan Watts did more to make Buddhism understandable to the western mind than perhaps most;

Iris Murdoch is one fantastic author;

Nietzche, (well, hate to say this but...) is most known and quoted for his atheist statement "god is dead;"

and...

Jung formulated the concept of the "collective unconscious."

(And it is with Jung that I think it all becomes quite compelling, to say the least!) That's a start in terms of where June is getting stuck...Because unlike Freud, Jung did feel that man has an inherent, innate sense of the sacred!

Interesting...

[Miss Blue]

Love is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous or conceited.
Love is not proud or selfish.
Love is not ill-natured.
Love is not irritable.
Love does not hold a grudge.
Love is not happy with evil.
Love is happy with the truth.
Love never gives up.
Loves,faith, hope and patience never fail.

GOD (quote)

[june 7th]

Originally Posted by weatherologist

Quote:
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung
Swiss psychologist (1875 - 1961)

I especially like this one, June.

June hears you, loud and clear Weather!

(Now, if we can just find you-know-who and direct him to this thread...He's on here, somewhere...)

Well, just in case:

xo, Montana!

[weatherologist]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Really subtle Weather.
In bold letters no less.
Were they out of flashing neon letters?

I can get flashing neon letters?

[june 7th]

Originally Posted by Tricky D;1505061
;) Cuz like the [B

Blues Brothers [/b]I'm on a mission from God. .

That's because, (in addition to being a manly man) you're a "soul man!"