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Old 04-21-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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I am curious if any of you believe the Biblical Joseph, the son of Jacob (AKA Israel) was in Egypt?

Is lack of evidence proof he never was in Egypt and that the writers of the Bible just made up the story of Joseph being a leader in Egypt?
Given that there is no proof of a biblical exodus then chances are there is no proof of a Joseph. Joseph is a cultural memory of the fact that at times Semitic people would rise to heights within egyptian society. That's not to say there is not a core truth to the story just we should not revert to digging with a spade in one hand and a bible in the other because it does more damage then good.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:12 AM
 
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personally, I feel I have to completely swallow my pride and say I was wrong if indeed the coins mentioned by the Israeli News concerning Joseph being in Egypt were bogus. I did try to search it out to see if it was fact but could not find much of any real proof it was bogus. I found one site that said it should be not believed till absolute proof was given. So I am sorry if indeed it was bogus.
Well done. Kitty pointed out to me that I'd got a pharaoh wrong and I went and checked and she was right and you pointed out that spear -stab passage in the Alexandrian Bibles. We all slip up and that's noting to worry about.

What's important is seeing the error and learning and, if you can do that, you gain far more in knowledge and credit than in ignoring it.

I had to wait to find out since, while coins were unknown in Egypt until introduced by the Greeks, there might be some items, ingots with names on, clay seals or scarabs that might arguably have been some kind of exchange- token value or currency, so one always have to be cautious.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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I had to wait to find out since, while coins were unknown in Egypt until introduced by the Greeks, there might be some items, ingots with names on, clay seals or scarabs that might arguably have been some kind of exchange- token value or currency, so one always have to be cautious.
Maybe they used debit cards?
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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personally, I feel I have to completely swallow my pride and say I was wrong if indeed the coins mentioned by the Israeli News concerning Joseph being in Egypt were bogus. I did try to search it out to see if it was fact but could not find much of any real proof it was bogus. I found one site that said it should be not believed till absolute proof was given. So I am sorry if indeed it was bogus.
This is the most impressive post by you ever. I can REALLY respect a person who can admit a mistake because we all know, it is not easy for many people.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Default Gophur it, guys:! Ask him some simple questions! Gahead!

Unfortunately, he only says, "if indeed the coins..." etc. etc.

"If" "When" "In the unlikely event that..."

Eusebius feels that no such enlightenment events are ever going to be provable, solely because he has a very creative re-imagination and is The King of Re-Definition and Deflection Engineering! "Species" really means "kind", "Evolution" only means "temporary micro-adaptation", and so on.

You get the idea. Deflect and Run! Duck & Cover!

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So in fact his stultified and rigid beliefs are forever safe in the Dark Vault of his IDTist's mind.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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Unfortunately, he only says, "if indeed the coins..." etc. etc.

"If" "When" "In the unlikely event that..."

Eusebius feels that no such enlightenment events are ever going to be provable, solely because he has a very creative re-imagination and is The King of Re-Definition and Deflection Engineering! "Species" really means "kind", "Evolution" only means "temporary micro-adaptation", and so on.

You get the idea. Deflect and Run! Duck & Cover!

Image Detail for - http://feck.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/london-bomb-shelter.jpg

So in fact his stultified and rigid beliefs are forever safe in the Dark Vault of his IDTist's mind.

Well, I give him some credit for even flirting with an admission.
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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Default It goes on like.... like.... THIS!

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Well, I give him some credit for even flirting with an admission.
Just make sure you bring a good strong philosophical condom. After all, you don't want to catch "sum-tin" here! Now does yah?
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Just make sure you bring a good strong philosophical condom. After all, you don't want to catch "sum-tin" here! Now does yah?
Ha ha! Yes indeed!

And in the end, even if the coin/scarab things did show certain cows, etc. - he was still using them as a "proof" of Joseph, which is a far stretch indeeed! I doubt that he would admit, after my previous post of the highly unlikely historicity of Joseph to begin with, that any of those points were valid.

If the scarab/coin thing turned out to be genuine, he would gladly continue with the bad assertion that it proves the Biblical account to be true - despite all contrary literary, historical, archaeological evidence that precludes even considering the scarab as evidence.


We have examples of scarabs from the Hyksos period that have the name "Jacob" on them - but does this prove that the father of the Israelites as written about in the Bible actually existed? No - of course not. It just shows that a particular semitic name was in use during a period of semitic dominance, and that is all. Nothing more. Far too often, hopeful believers cling to archaeological finds as if they need only show one thing true to prove the whole. If that's the case, they don't need to go far - for we have plenty of archaeological evidence concerning SOME of the events in the Bible (say, the Babylonian Exile) being true in certain details. But their approach still suffers from the problem that showing one extra-biblical paralell does not prove the whole. An Exile happened, but it does not mean that Yahweh caused it to happen, and it does not mean that the previous books of the Bible were factual.

What's boggling is that there are mounds of evidence as to the unreliablitiy of much of the early history of Israel as recorded in the Bible, but this is all ignored by those very same people digging in the dirt to find sandals in the Red Sea - as if they can undo all of biblical archaeology and scholarship with a sandal, or a scarab, or a plank of wood on a mountain.
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Old 04-22-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Maybe they used debit cards?
I'll bet they didn't accept american express
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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I'll bet they didn't accept american express
They took Pharaoh One . . . What's in your money bag?
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