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It leaves out the concept of free will. God will not stand in the way of anyone's evil choice.
Evil choice of a child to get cancer? The evil choice to die of Lou Gherig's disease? The Evil choice of slipping on a patch of ice and hitting one's head? The evil choice of getting struck by lightening? The evil choice of being killed by a tidal wave?
Life is suffering.
For example: we have to suffer hunger, no matter how much we eat, we'll always get hungry again. So life without suffering is impossible. But it doesn't mean you can't have fun.
Originally Posted by Oakback
Not succumbing to despair is generally considered a good thing. And not despairing does make you stronger.
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Our moral sense comes from the knowledge of good and evil.
If you eliminate evil which is what suffering then you would not be wise enough to recognize that you are in a good state. You would just be. Just like baser animals.
Scripture says that this knowledge is what leads us --to be as God's knowing good and evil.
Evil choice of a child to get cancer? The evil choice to die of Lou Gherig's disease? The Evil choice of slipping on a patch of ice and hitting one's head? The evil choice of getting struck by lightening? The evil choice of being killed by a tidal wave?
actually every one of those IS CHOSEN by free will at a soul level by the human who chooses to experience them. We have free will at a human level, and we have free will at a soul level. Everything i experience, I chose, in complete agreement with myself and with all other parties involved.
it is not about "blame" (blaming god or blaming someone else for misfortune) it is about taking responsibility. Not blame, but responsibility
if my soul chooses something to happen, it must have had a pretty darn good reason for doing so, and in that context everything in my life makes sense, and everything about god makes sense.
there is no evil, there is no suffering, there is no random chance, there is no coincidence, there are no victims, and there is no blame. There is a loving god, there is my free will (at a human level, and at a soul level), and there are natural laws in place and natural consequences for actions, that are not about god punishing anyone, but about me taking responsibility for the quality of my life and what i create in my life.
if i rob banks and kill people, then the natural consequence is that i go to jail or prison. if i get away with it this lifetime, then somewhere down the road in another lifetime i get robbed and killed. poor victim me? nope, natural law in action.
that is not evil god punishing, that is natural laws of the universe in action
so do unto others is not just a snappy slogan or theological platitude, it is a statement of natural law that is a powerful motivator for me to clean up my act or pay the price later
actually every one of those IS CHOSEN by free will at a soul level by the human who chooses to experience them. We have free will at a human level, and we have free will at a soul level. Everything i experience, I chose, in complete agreement with myself and with all other parties involved.
it is not about "blame" (blaming god or blaming someone else for misfortune) it is about taking responsibility. Not blame, but responsibility
if my soul chooses something to happen, it must have had a pretty darn good reason for doing so, and in that context everything in my life makes sense, and everything about god makes sense.
there is no evil, there is no suffering, there is no random chance, there is no coincidence, there are no victims, and there is no blame. There is a loving god, there is my free will (at a human level, and at a soul level), and there are natural laws in place and natural consequences for actions, that are not about god punishing anyone, but about me taking responsibility for the quality of my life and what i create in my life.
if i rob banks and kill people, then the natural consequence is that i go to jail or prison. if i get away with it this lifetime, then somewhere down the road in another lifetime i get robbed and killed. poor victim me? nope, natural law in action.
that is not evil god punishing, that is natural laws of the universe in action
so do unto others is not just a snappy slogan or theological platitude, it is a statement of natural law that is a powerful motivator for me to clean up my act or pay the price later
If a soul can chose evil then it also must be able to chose good. Yes?
I do not remember any concious chosing before birth. Do you and how do we know that the soul can chose?
If a soul can chose evil then it also must be able to chose good. Yes?
I do not remember any concious chosing before birth. Do you and how do we know that the soul can chose?
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DL
yes, we can choose evil or we can choose good because we have free will
that is the gift of being a human
in between lives and incarnations we have full memory of all our lives
during a specific incarnation that memory is, for the most part, veiled
there are ways to access that memory
how do we know that the soul can choose?
there is a lot of teaching, writing, and literature on the subject that is consistent across time, across culture, across a variety of spiritual traditions that says the same thing
there is personal experience described by many people, and experienced by many people
and ultimately the only guide that really matters to a person in any spiritual arena, is what "rings true" for that person, and what they experience in their own life. for me it's the only framework that explains things that otherwise "don't make sense" to me that i have experienced in my own life; and it is also for me the only framework that gives dignity and meaning to the things I have personally experienced in my own life.
yes, we can choose evil or we can choose good because we have free will
that is the gift of being a human
in between lives and incarnations we have full memory of all our lives
during a specific incarnation that memory is, for the most part, veiled
there are ways to access that memory
how do we know that the soul can choose?
there is a lot of teaching, writing, and literature on the subject that is consistent across time, across culture, across a variety of spiritual traditions that says the same thing
there is personal experience described by many people, and experienced by many people
and ultimately the only guide that really matters to a person in any spiritual arena, is what "rings true" for that person, and what they experience in their own life. for me it's the only framework that explains things that otherwise "don't make sense" to me that i have experienced in my own life; and it is also for me the only framework that gives dignity and meaning to the things I have personally experienced in my own life.
Knowing human nature, who would chose to accept pain or sickness or evil. Not many right?
Why then are we not all healthy, welthy and wise.
Why would some return just to starve or die as babies?
Knowing human nature, who would chose to accept pain or sickness or evil. Not many right?
Why then are we not all healthy, welthy and wise.
Why would some return just to starve or die as babies?
Regards
DL
LOL that's what my friend Ronnie said, "Then why aren't we all thin, blonde and rich?"
live in the question and see where it takes you
what's important is who we grow into as we explore and attempt to resolve those very questions you ask and all the other "big questions" in life
It leaves out the concept of free will. God will not stand in the way of anyone's evil choice.
There's alot of evil and suffering that isn't caused by someone's choice to cause suffering such as bodily decay, terminal disease, the death of a loved one, natural disasters.
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