Why We Need God

[PhillyChief]

Have you seen Hitler? Just dishing out what is dished.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What does Hitler have to do with you're rationalization that because people threaten you, you need to attack others?

Or could it be that you are paranoid and is the reason you spend a lot of time trying to justify why you don't believe. Because of the possibility you might be wrong. Because if I did not believe something did not exist 100%, I would not waste one second debating it.

Yes, and that's been a huge mistake because the first reaction to ID and the rise of the religious right was to laugh. Ha ha, listen to that nonsense and most ignored it. Now look at the way things are. So no, atheists venturing into theist realms have nothing to do with reassuring ourselves that we're right but trying to dispel crazy ideas in others. Also, it's very important to see how some of these crazy ideas are discussed and what claims are made and how they're presented.

I know it's next to impossible to convince a believer to not believe, but maybe I can convince them that it's wrong to impose their beliefs on others. Maybe I'll be the first one to present truths like the US was not founded as a christian nation, why there's a separation of church and state and what that means, what Evolution is really about instead of the lies and misinformation that they keep hearing. Even if I can't get through to someone directly, I still feel that there are many, many more people who read these posts than actually participate in the discussions and for them I write. I write here and other places and have my own site as well.

[Claire_F]

Originally Posted by ikester7579

So are you a evolutionist as well?

WTF is an evolutionist? I don't categorize myself in any way. I'm open minded enough to believe that there are many possible explanations.

[ikester7579]

Originally Posted by PhillyChief

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What does Hitler have to do with you're rationalization that because people threaten you, you need to attack others?

Hitler used a mechanism of evolution to explain why he did what he did.

Yes, and that's been a huge mistake because the first reaction to ID and the rise of the religious right was to laugh. Ha ha, listen to that nonsense and most ignored it. Now look at the way things are. So no, atheists venturing into theist realms have nothing to do with reassuring ourselves that we're right but trying to dispel crazy ideas in others. Also, it's very important to see how some of these crazy ideas are discussed and what claims are made and how they're presented.

For something that is said not to be science, it sure gives science a run for it's money. I wonder why that is, and that you feel the need to stifle it? Because if evolution was a fact like gravity and electricity (Dawkins quote), then it would require no faith. And a faith based belief could never challenge it. But it does everyday, ever pondered why?

I know it's next to impossible to convince a believer to not believe, but maybe I can convince them that it's wrong to impose their beliefs on others.

Is evolution a true fact? If not, it is a belief that is imposed upon those who do not want to hear it, or learn it. As so many evolutionist say: What about freedom of speech? Is not letting creation be heard in schools as a choosen choice stifling an alternative? Evolution has to stand alone for the simple fact it would crumble if tested on a everyday bases by something that is totally oposite of it.

Example: Even among the peers of evolution, to challenge evolution the Darwin way can be deadly: Evolution's hall of shame.

And even though the bird has been debunked as fake, another one was found:
FOXNews.com - Giant Bird-Like Dinosaur Fossil Found in China - Science News | Current Articles

Which in my mind smells of a cover up. Darwinists have spent to much money and time to rewrite everything because of one finding. So they made it bogus. They even planned it out to a T. Because how many Science organizations pay a bunch of money for an artifact like a bird? So upon this being done, how much harder was it to prove it was fake? not much. Why? Money. They wanted people to believe that it was money that made the person they accused of faking the bird do what he did (if he actually did it).

I would have never pondered this if that second bird were not found. And how long will it take before others figure out what really happened here? People are not stupid. They may have bought the first one, but not the second.

Maybe I'll be the first one to present truths like the US was not founded as a christian nation, why there's a separation of church and state and what that means, what Evolution is really about instead of the lies and misinformation that they keep hearing. Even if I can't get through to someone directly, I still feel that there are many, many more people who read these posts than actually participate in the discussions and for them I write. I write here and other places and have my own site as well.

Preacher for evolution? If evolution is not a religion, why so many preachers?

[PhillyChief]

You know at first I thought it best to poke holes in what you say and show how off your ideas are but really, I think I should just encourage you to post more. Preachers for Evolution? Clear confusion between Evolutionary Theory and evolutionary process, conspiracy theories, cover ups, citing what a company says about itself as proof the company isn't lying, using Fox news as a source, talking Hitler and elimination fears. By all means, keep posting. Very entertaining stuff.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by PhillyChief

You know at first I thought it best to poke holes in what you say and show how off your ideas are but really, I think I should just encourage you to post more. Preachers for Evolution? Clear confusion between Evolutionary Theory and evolutionary process, conspiracy theories, cover ups, citing what a company says about itself as proof the company isn't lying, using Fox news as a source, talking Hitler and elimination fears. By all means, keep posting. Very entertaining stuff.

I agree. I know I've been called skeptical before, but I think I may have found some competition

[PhillyChief]

"Skeptical" isn't the word that comes to my mind.