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Intellectual integrity. It is important to me that what I believe is based on the best evidence and not what makes me feel good. I don't like being fooled and lied to.
I am convinced on lack of evidence that there is no good reason to believe in any kinds of 'god' and am convinced on evidence that the god-claims in the Bible are worthless.
I would be ashamed to believe what is a pack of lies. That is just my reason for why I would prefer NOT to believe in what is false and what I would would consider my loss. I do accept that you probably believe that the evidence is good enough. I know that it isn't.
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His decision is entirely subjective, not objective, as in: supported
unambiguously and
inarguably, based on a preponderance of reproducible evidence. And even better; by his very own duplication of the study that proves it.
Your point about being personally embarrassed to be a part of a greater unthinking cohort is indisputable. As well, to know, in ones heart of hearts, that one has NEVER ventured into a fully and carefully reviewed personal debate or "what if" scenario... what does that say about your own mind and self-discipline?
Not so much, actually, but then,mas always, I know the behavioral basis for such thinking: the absolute here is the terrifying fear of a Salvation-less death, all alone, with no welcoming angels awaiting your arrival @ those Pearly Gates.
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Years of making oneself look a plonker by walking around town screaming 'Jesus is coming'.
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Agreed. Disgusting, and to add to that embarrassment, you only have to look at the fundamental devotions of the truly unthinking wailers and yowlers. To wit:
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That'd be it! You are very perceptive,
DogKnox!
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Boxcar Overkill Think it through!!!
You believe in NOTHING because you are NOTHING?! Is this it!??
You were born into NOTHING so you believe in NOTHING!!?
You had NO Choice, so you have NO Hope, is this it??!
The Hindu was born in India, so he believe what he is taught... He is NOT wrong, If he keeps the greatest command he will enter heaven! It is just this simple!
The Muslim born in Saudi Arabia is taught to have his beliefs. If he keeps the greatest command he will enter heaven! It is just this simple!
All men are born in the image of God, not just Christians! God loves all men, because he made them!
You reject God!!! AND....
And why???!!
It comes down to this very, very basic question... WHY?
You MUST prove to me there is NO God!!!!
Note you are in the minority.. Throughout the history of man...Man has ALWAYS believed in a God, a higher being of some kind!!
Then there is you...
Boxcar Overkill WHY.. Do you reject God?? Is it because of your superior intellect!? You must have a reason.. not just; "Because"!
Dogknox
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Correction of a wildly off-center statement: Atheists do not believe in
NOTHING, you silly person! Atheists simply accept the obviously lacking(non-existent?) evidence for the God you so desperately wish to push. Over literally decades and centuries there's NEVER been any proof in support of a GOd. Nope; not EVER any regrown limbs, except in anecdotal and wishful dreams of hopefuls that hate to see their artificial belief system fading away as the world's educational standards rise inexorably.
Then you introduce completely unrelated statements to your argument, adding in
really inexplicable options, all willingly but un-critically accepted by all those
bleeting sheeple types with no knowledge of the basics of a critical thinking analysis.
Such intense but nonetheless fair and objective analysis also leads to the strong belief by many of us skeptics that THERE WAS ALSO NO
JESUS FIGURE! He was simply a down-home minstrel, a go-between for the people frightened of that egotistical, vengeful and always angry God.
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Okay my answer: You are NOT god because you are NOTHING!
You believe you are NOTHING!!!! You have faith you are NOTHING!!
You are NOT Christian because you were not born in a Christian home!
You are NOT Hindu because you were not born in a Hindu home!
You are NOT Muslim because you were not born in a Muslim home!
God is something, so you are NOT god! It is just this simple!!
You believe you are god... But you have proof there is no god?? 
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Sp... we must pick from your lit? There are lots of alternate options. BoxCar is likely the FSM, IMHO.
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Boxcar Overkill How about the very basic; PROOF there is a God!!
Thousand and thousands of Wheel Chairs, a mountain of Crutches and Canes from people healed by God!
Thousands and thousands of miracles even documented, 'whole limbs grown back'.
Boxcar Overkill God is given all the credit, thousands and thousands can't be wrong! The evidence is overwhelming!!
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As someone here has correctly noted, please provide credible links, not some tripe from Muslim Daily News, or AiG or some other purposefully deceptive and know liar websites, who just make it all up!
To wit: so sorry,
Dogknox!: there are no piles of discarded wheelchair, crutches and canes, unless the person was already bound for natural healing. But let's see a missing limb regrow itself. Esp. after some purposeful & intensive congregational prayer sessions by the amputee's Christian friends. The "focused prayer load" inbound to God would be intense to be sure!
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Wikipedia Encyclopedia
Lourdes France
Over 150 years of PROVEN Miracles!!!!
Today Lourdes has a population of around 15,000 but is able to take in some 5,000,000 pilgrims each year coming for cures when doctors say cure is impossible!!!!
Sixty Three PROVEN documented miracles!!!
Not that there have not been more miracles, but the sixty three have be researched, investigated for all possible other reason for a cure, when no other explanation, when all doctors can't explain another cause, it is a prove "Act Of GOD!" NOW...
Boxcar Overkill Now not only will you have to prove there is NO God, you will have to prove the thousands of people who have come to, Lourdes France and have been cured are NOT really cured by God!!! Ha-ha 
Good luck!!!
1) you are NOT God because you are NOTHING!
2) Lourdes proves thousands and thousands of people can't be wrong, there is a God!
Dogknox
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Well...
uhmmm.. in the time-proven argument technique of fundies everywhere, I'll just keep it short and to my point:
RUBBISH. BUNK. OUTRIGHT wishful thinking. No supporting documented evidence.
Didn't and
doesn't happen.
There. Got it? That was easy, and just as vaild as your wild and unsupported disclaimers as well!
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LOGIC SAYS: You MUST have been raised in a Home with NOTHING!! You were raised in a home that believes in NOTHING!!
The Thousands and thousands of Crutches Wheel Chairs and Cains prove NOTHING TO YOU!!???
You are NOT convinced by the Sixty Three PROVEN Miraculously healed people, Sight restored, Cancer removed, WHOLE limbs grown back!!??
You can't prove it as a hokes yet you say NOTHING!!!
NO you are wrong.. I gave you PROOF, now you Prove there is NO GOD!!
Your turn...
Christians believe in God.. I am Christian!!
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Well, again: there are not thousands and thousands of discarded mobility assists, and those 63 cases you so ardently claim as "proofs" are only useful to those who
already believe. A sort of congratulatory premonition and self-fulfilling "prophesy", with no other possibilites even considered.
Not to mention the truly massive evidence for an ancient earth, of Evolution, of no Noah's Ark FluDD, and so on. You conveniently ignore all of that, as well as contemporaneous (i.e.: documented at the same time...) documentation from other more advanced and objective (not to mention educated...) societies in Asia.
NOTE: I have yet to have a good responsive answer to their contradictory historical documents. No globally inundating
fludd, no Jesus wandering in their midst, no miracles, no one-time sedimentary event. No nothing thta the bible insists, and you just believe without question!
You willing to discuss the lack of confirming history from those astute and observant Chinese scholars? Please do let me know your links as well as your own thoughtful analysis.
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Rafius 150 years of Miracles!!
The story starts out.. "A young girl is told to bend down and drink" there was NO water; She bends down and digs her hands in the dirt and water trickles up!!
The waters have heals people ever sense!
PROVING..
From the very start the Miracles were contributed to God!
For 150 plus years it has ALWAYS been God at work in the cures!
You are rejecting the 150 years of people being healed..
The 500,000,000....or even 300,000,000 people that say "YOU ARE WRONG!!!"
NOTE it is NOT me that tells you; "You are wrong" it is LOGIC and the MILLIONS who have been to Lourdes France!
You reject the Miracles for no other reason except; "You do NOT want to believe them!"
You lack all proof!!! 
LOGIC tells you, your CONSCIENCE tells you, "You are wrong"!
Rafius You are the one who must live with yourself!! You are content to believe PROVEN LIES, knowing all along you are believing lies!
There is a God.. I am Christian; Christians believe!
Dogknox
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Again, you have assembled a list of anecdotal claims and "histories", but you
never examine and agree with or credibly dismiss the obvious alternates, despite the masses of actual reproducible evidence.
So be it. Your credibility is on the line here, but please: no more of this
"You believe in Nothing!" ruse and evasion. We atheists believe in lots of things, including our personal ethical standards for an honest and peaceful spiritual life. We just don't beleive in the Abrahamic God.
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