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Old 06-02-2008, 07:09 PM
 
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Plenty. If the Big Bang was created, then obviously there is a God.
Actually, there are infinite other possibilities. But even if that were the case, it would definitely NOT be obvious that this "God" happened to be the one that bronze aged sheepherders made up and wrote a book about 4000 years ago on a tiny planet in an obscure corner of an average galaxy, among billions of other galaxies. Would a supreme being, capable of creating on such a grand scale really need a silly (and flawed) book, a son to serve as a "sacrifice" and worshipers to make it feel special? I think not.

 
Old 06-02-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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There is no such thing as "obviously" there that a god thing exists. Prove it. It is not fairly reasonable to assume that your myth is real. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

Prove it. I'm waiting.
An hour ago, I said a prayer to the almighty one wishing for a clearing of the skies from rain so I could take out my dog (he hates the rain) to the bathroom. About 20 minutes later, the skies began to clear and it had stopped raining. Max and I were so happy! There is your proof!
 
Old 06-03-2008, 01:13 AM
 
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An hour ago, I said a prayer to the almighty one wishing for a clearing of the skies from rain so I could take out my dog (he hates the rain) to the bathroom. About 20 minutes later, the skies began to clear and it had stopped raining. Max and I were so happy! There is your proof!
Thats some mighty proof you got there, lets see what crazy excuse the atheist use to explain that
 
Old 06-03-2008, 01:17 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Thats some mighty proof you got there, lets see what crazy excuse the atheist use to explain that
God does not command humanity, but it is humanity who commands God by persuasion?
Then again, I don't know if I'm an atheist or not.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by coosjoaquinGod does not command humanity, but it is humanity who commands God by persuasion?
Dunno, I think that a radical method of praying would be to make a powerpoint presentation discussing the pros and cons of such a heavenly action. Though this would be rendered useless if god already knew what was going to go on in the presentation, In fact the act of praying would be pointless if god already knew what you wanted before you wanted it.

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Then again, I don't know if I'm an atheist or not.
Call yourself what you feel most comfortable as, even if its "nothing" or "I dont know". The names are only there for others to get an impression of what your ideologies are
 
Old 06-03-2008, 03:21 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Dunno, I think that a radical method of praying would be to make a powerpoint presentation discussing the pros and cons of such a heavenly action.
The thing is this that if the majority of people believe someone to be a witch, like in the Salem witch trials and there is no such thing as a witch, the person who is accused of being a witch might as well be one, because she will still be seen as a witch.
This proves that when an individual suffers from a delusion, people will call him crazy.
But the moment he is able to convince the majority of the people that his delusion is real it actually becomes 'real'.
 
Old 06-03-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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Originally Posted by coosjoaquinThe thing is this that if the majority of people believe someone to be a witch, like in the Salem witch trials and there is no such thing as a witch, the person who is accused of being a witch might as well be one, because she will still be seen as a witch.
This proves that when an individual suffers from a delusion, people will call him crazy.
But the moment he is able to convince the majority of the people that his delusion is real it actually becomes 'real'.
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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sweetclimber wrote:
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An hour ago, I said a prayer to the almighty one wishing for a clearing of the skies from rain so I could take out my dog (he hates the rain) to the bathroom. About 20 minutes later, the skies began to clear and it had stopped raining. Max and I were so happy! There is your proof!
I'm not sure if you're joking or not but if you were serious would you think that God would adjust local weather conditions to suit just one individual just because that individual put in a special request in the form of a prayer? Why don't you ask God to keep your lawn mowed and your car washed while you're at it?
 
Old 06-03-2008, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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sweetclimber wrote:

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but if you were serious would you think that God would adjust local weather conditions to suit just one individual just because that individual put in a special request in the form of a prayer? Why don't you ask God to keep your lawn mowed and your car washed while you're at it?
Actually, if i could get god to answer one prayer, I would have him cestry all the corrupt politicians and to make our country livable for the middle class again!
 
Old 06-03-2008, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Earth
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cestry? I'm sorry, what do you mean, I can't find this word in the dictionary.

btw, that sounds like pretty good evidence that a god thing doesn't exist.
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