How do you know your religion is the RIGHT religion? (disciples, Jerusalem)

[Asheville Native]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

You do realize the bolded portion of your quote is what many "religious" people see as the problem, right?

Did you even read that statement you bolded part of, I was talking about a shelf with a lot of books of fictions, you know novels You so wanted to dogpile the heathen so bad you didn't bother to even read what was said.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

Did you even read that statement you bolded part of, I was talking about a shelf with a lot of books of fictions, you know novels You so wanted to dogpile the heathen so bad you didn't bother to even read what was said.

I was obviously taking it out of context. That's why I bolded only part of the sentence.

I wasn't "dogpiling the heathen"...MOF my comment was "belief neutral", and just making some observations.

You don't have to hit your head...I knew just what you were talking about.

That said, did you even consider my point?

[Asheville Native]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Even if you view "sacred writings" as "man made"...the moral code they set down is no worse than any other, because it is just another capricious construct that was put together by people that may have been working from something other than an agenda of fairness.

That is absurd, these so called sacred writings, regardless of their origin, are today used to perpetuate hatred and intolerance.

[catman]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Even if you view "sacred writings" as "man made"...the moral code they set down is no worse than any other, because it is just another capricious construct that was put together by people that may have been working from something other than an agenda of fairness.

No worse than any other? Rather faint praise (no pun intended) for something allegedly laid down by a god. Some "capricious constructs" are much more injurious than others; simply because they are capricious constructs doesn't make them all equivalent. Many of them sanctify behaviour which is shunned by any civilized society, especially the reprehensible behaviours of the gods (but might makes right). They are very poor examples, out there slaying whole populations, not to mention giving their followers divine sanction to do the same.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Fullback32

That is what all Christians say.

It is interesting that Fundamentalists see the Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult and not biblical at all. The same is said of Mormons and Catholics. Even amongst Fundamentalists there are no agreements. I've heard Southern Baptists say of Pentacostals that "they are in error." I've heard Pentacostals say the same of Southern Baptists. Then, of course, the "free-will' folks argue with the Calvinists and vice-versa. This same thing even happens in Islam.

This is why any non-believer or "other-believer" has a tough time buying into anyone who says that theirs is the right or true religion.

People that think the witnesses are a cult, either don't know what a cult is and or they don't know the witnesses beliefs.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Jazzymom

Funny thing is that the Bible you use part of it was taken from the Hebrew Bible. You use scripture from the Jewish religion and you say you have the only truth.....

I have two Bibles, the NWT and KJV.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by catman

No worse than any other? Rather faint praise (no pun intended) for something allegedly laid down by a god. Some "capricious constructs" are much more injurious than others; simply because they are capricious constructs doesn't make them all equivalent. Many of them sanctify behaviour which is shunned by any civilized society, especially the reprehensible behaviours of the gods (but might makes right). They are very poor examples, out there slaying whole populations, not to mention giving their followers divine sanction to do the same.

It IS "worse than no other".

Look at all the horrible things man-made laws have allowed through the ages....even today, in supposed "civilized society". Man makes laws to fund huge militaries and engage in war with each other...MOF, the U.S. was established in it's current form by first "slaying a whole population". Current law sanctions almost a million "murders of convince" PER WEEK of developing babies, at the hands of their own mothers. And man has seen all that as "morally acceptable".

What world have you learned about? No laws I have ever read in any "sacred" writings were any worse than what man has legally and morally justified...so that argument of yours is groundless. MOF, the "sacred writing" moral codes are usually much more strict...which is only bad from a standpoint of repression of freedom...not societal order. Though the punishments are kinda over-the-top. But, go to a VA Hospital sometime and see what mans moral code permits and sanctions.

WHO is to determine what is or isn't "right"...what is or isn't moral? You? Me? Some group? Based on what?

The "religious" make the claim they have a deity that has established "right" and "wrong"...and it's void of human bias...and at the very least it's as good as any other set of laws. They got a point about that last part.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

The obvious disconnect between fable and fact. The question is, why cling so to the fable?

I believe the Bible to be full of facts.

[Dusty Rhodes]

Originally Posted by tgnostic

But if non-existence and existence are at one for the human Consciousness, then the existence of the religion itself suffices to prove God's existence. Having faith is still another thing.

I disagree, I suspect that the existence of religion proves mans' addiction to mythology.

[AREQUIPA]

Originally Posted by Avasa

I believe the Bible to be full of facts.

That there was a temple in Jerusalem, that Assyria sacked Jerusalem and Pilate was governor in the 1st century.

It is also full of fiction like the Creation, garden of eden, Noah's ark, the parting of the red sea, the Star of bethlehem, the massacre of the inocents, the shekel -eating fish and the resurrection.

We cannot have the fiction getting dragged across the credibility line on the coat -tails of the facts.