Egyptian Pyramids were Built as Machines (myth, heaven, layman, exist)

[Chango]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

I'm talking about the Great Pyramid at Giza and the smaller pyramids surrounding it. No Pharaoh was ever entombed in those.

They were built as machines.

The Giza pyramids are 3 of 118 known pyramids in Egypt. What makes Giza so special? Are the other ones pumping machines too? Why are there mummies in some? Why are the pyramid layouts and the symbolism consistent between the burial pyramids and the Giza pyramids?

Because they were built as TOMBS. If it walks like a duck...

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

There is no proof any Pharaoh was interred in the Great Pyramid at Giza.

The Great Pyramid at Giza WAS FIRST ENTERED in 820 AD and nohing was found:

"No mummy or remains of any kind have been found in the great pyramid. It does not seem likely that the pyramid had
been robbed. When it was first entered by the Arabs in 820 AD, the only thing found in the pyramid was an empty
granite box in the King's chamber called the "coffer". (It is possible that there may have been one in the Queen’s chamber
also that has been destroyed since then.) Also, contrary to Egyptian practice, the empty lidless box was uninscribed and
undecorated, for it would almost certainly have been covered with hieroglyphics and paintings had a pharaoh been placed
in it." Great Pyramid of Giza

Now you need to go to plan 'B'.

No problem....Legitimate information trumps the info of fringe whack-a-loon sites every time...

All the pyramids were robbed by the New Kingdom, when the construction of royal tombs in a desert valley, now known as the Valley of the Kings, began. Joyce Tyldesley states that the Great Pyramid itself is known to have been opened and emptied by the Middle Kingdom, before the Arab caliph Abdullah al-Mamun entered the pyramid around AD 820. Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dtango]

Originally Posted by whoppers

Well, it's a good thing you reccomend that everyone read "serious" books on the subject, while quoting from a non-serious work by a non-Egyptologist whose strange theories concerning the pyramids have been roundly ignored and dismissed by actual Egyptologists. But then again - you aren't really known on this forum for consulting actual professional works by actual Egyptologists except to declare that they are all idiots, are you?

Worse than that: to me they are criminals!

As for you… the same story: You hate to answer questions!!

How do your illustrious Egyptologists justify the three large pyramids built by Snofru?

Originally Posted by Eusebius

There is no proof any Pharaoh was interred in the Great Pyramid at Giza.

Originally Posted by Eusebius

The Great Pyramid at Giza WAS FIRST ENTERED in 820 AD and nohing was found:
"No mummy or remains of any kind have been found in the great pyramid. It does not seem likely that the pyramid had
been robbed. When it was first entered by the Arabs in 820 AD, the only thing found in the pyramid was an empty
granite box in the King's chamber called the "coffer".

The Great Pyramid was robbed in antiquity by the same persons who built it. Whatever had been placed in those niches in the Great Gallery ramp had been removed by way of the shaft that meets the descending passage.

The pyramids were not built to be used as tombs for the kings. It would have taken quite crazy kings to do that. That was only the excuse and, besides, they were not obliged to burry a body into the pyramid. Snofru built three large pyramids and the builders could justify such an “insane” operation by saying that in one the “ka” of the king will be buried, in the other his “ba” and in the third his “akh.”

The point is to find out why the pyramids were built. Something for which the Egyptologists’ intelligence is not enough.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Of course they were capable. Solomon's temple is a great example.
Solomon's Temple, Israel - The Western-wall Stone, from the Western-wall tunnel. The Largest stone is estimated at 11.625m long. Estimates of weight vary from 500 to 600 tons."

'The wall had an original height of from seventy to one hundred and forty feet. In places it is built from bottom to top of large squared stones, bevelled at the edges and varying between 97.5cm and 1.80m in height. The stones are laid without cement. The longest hitherto discovered measures 11.625m in length (not less than one hundred tonnes). Many of the other blocks are from half to two thirds of this height. The massiveness of the work is on par with the Egyptian pyramid-Kings; and the perfection of the cutting and fitting of the stones is nearly equal.' (1)
The largest stones of all time

The buildings Solomon built were increddible.

Says you.

Hmmm... I thought your point was to show that people of the era were capable of technological marvels and then through some non sequitur you concluded that the people of the time must have been able to reason well enough to understand the difference between divine intervention and common occurrences.

The basic fallacy is that you assume technological marvels (for a time period) mean that everyone was rational and logical. We put men on the moon a few decades ago and we still have people in our society promoting the concept that witchcraft, black magic, and astrology are real. We have iPhones, iPads, and self-driving cars but we have people that believe the Flintstones was a documentary and the Earth is 6000 years old. We are developing nanotechnology, quantum computing, and we exposed what we believe is the Higgs Boson but we have people who fall for homeopathy, chiropractic 'medicine,' and energy crystals. We can utilize social networking to catch criminals, pinpoint the exact location of virtually every item on the planet with GPS, and we can do the math necessary to see what two colliding black holes will look like but we still have people who think that prayer is how rain happens.

The bottom line is that even in the most advanced societies such as ours, the inability to think critically is able to propagate itself through a medium of ignorance. Regardless of what the Egyptians did, what temples the Hebrews built, and so on and so forth, the majority of people believed in nonsensical, ridiculous, and downright unscientific explanations and those same explanations propagated through history for centuries.

The stories of the Bible were largely propagated through that same ignorant medium with illiterate, uneducated goat herders spreading much of the stories. I have no qualm with ancient goat herders but I'm not looking to them to provide me with explanations about how the universe works or how it came into existence.

[dtango]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

Regardless of what the Egyptians did, what temples the Hebrews built, and so on and so forth, the majority of people believed in nonsensical, ridiculous, and downright unscientific explanations and those same explanations propagated through history for centuries.

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

The stories of the Bible were largely propagated through that same ignorant medium with illiterate, uneducated goat herders spreading much of the stories. I have no qualm with ancient goat herders but I'm not looking to them to provide me with explanations about how the universe works or how it came into existence.

Unfortunately, the nonsensical, ridiculous, and downright unscientific explanations were produced by the elite that built the magnificent megalithic temples and buildings. The laymen, the uneducated goat herders, only said that the gods raped their mothers, wives and sisters.

I think, my dear friend, you should do some reading before reaching any conclusions as to who said what.

[papabear3322]

Somewhere I read in the main chamber there are shafts that align with some constellations. Could be an extra large callender or clock. The pump thing I won't say impossible since the largest deposit of freshwater on the planet it's relitivly close under the sahara. I would say improbable.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by dtango

How do your illustrious Egyptologists justify the three large pyramids built by Snofru?

The Great Pyramid was robbed in antiquity by the same persons who built it. Whatever had been placed in those niches in the Great Gallery ramp had been removed by way of the shaft that meets the descending passage.

No it wasn't. It was first entered in 820 AD.

The pyramids were not built to be used as tombs for the kings. It would have taken quite crazy kings to do that. That was only the excuse and, besides, they were not obliged to burry a body into the pyramid. Snofru built three large pyramids and the builders could justify such an “insane” operation by saying that in one the “ka” of the king will be buried, in the other his “ba” and in the third his “akh.”

The point is to find out why the pyramids were built. Something for which the Egyptologists’ intelligence is not enough.

Correct.

There was a large explosion in the large pyramid. There was an inch thick of salt in, I think the queens chamber. This was the result of mixing of chemicals to produce hydrogen. They would pour the chemicals down the shafts and those chemicals would meet in the kings chamber and produce the needed reaction.

You can read more about this here:
Shaft Evidence

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

No problem....Legitimate information trumps the info of fringe whack-a-loon sites every time...

All the pyramids were robbed by the New Kingdom, when the construction of royal tombs in a desert valley, now known as the Valley of the Kings, began. Joyce Tyldesley states that the Great Pyramid itself is known to have been opened and emptied by the Middle Kingdom, before the Arab caliph Abdullah al-Mamun entered the pyramid around AD 820. Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just shows you can't always trust those fringe whack-a-loon Wikipedia sites.

From your same "whack-a-loon" Wikipidia page:

I. E. S. Edwards discusses Strabo's mention that the pyramid "a little way up one side has a stone that may be taken out, which being raised up there is a sloping passage to the foundations." Edwards suggested that the pyramid was entered by robbers after the end of the Old Kingdom and sealed and then reopened more than once until Strabo's door was added. He adds "If this highly speculative surmise be correct, it is also necessary to assume either that the existence of the door was forgotten or that the entrance was again blocked with facing stones" in order to explain why al-Ma'mun could not find the entrance.[46]

[whoppers]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Did you not write this?:


If so, how did I misrepresent you by what I recently wrote?

Yes - I DID write the post you quoted, but you have misunderstood what I have written.
You claimed that I "wrote" (or that my argument was) the following:

Originally Posted by Eusebius

Axiom A of whoppers:
The pyramids were built for tombs of the pharaohs.
Therefore the pharaoh's were entombed in the pyramids.

What I actually wrote (after removing extraneous details) was this:

Originally Posted by whoppers

There's no point in arguing over whether the pyramids had burial chambers - or tombs, for the information is freely available.....

... it's factual to state that one of the main purposes of the pyramids was to facilitate a powerful leader's access to the afterlife via burial.

Now - does that match what you are imagining me to have written in your incorrectly termed "axiom"? You are adding assumptions and lines of reasoning to my carefully worded post in which I thought I was quite clear in what I was writing.

[AREQUIPA]

The evolution of Pharonic burials from the underground houses with protective slabs over the top through the series of slabs built over a sunken burial chamber (stepped pyramid) through to the smoothed - off typical pyramid shape again with sunken burial chambers is well known. The funerary texts associated with many pyramids makes it clear that burial of kings and queens is what they were for, not as any kind of mysterious machinery or power generators. The surprising discovery of a wooden royal barge in the great Pyramid area indicates burial of useful possessions for the afterlife if not a barge for the Pharaoh to use in accompanying the sun across the sky. It is inexplicable as an item for use in a huge pump.

There are many pyramids with small ones for wives being built in the temple complex around a pharonic pyramid for offering of sustenance to the dead king. The practice of burial pyramids carried on to the later copies of Merotic Nubia long after pyramids had been abandoned in Egypt and burial chambers simply hidden in or under rock outcrops.

That the sarcophagi are empty is no surprise. Tomb robbery was rife during times of unrest in Egypt and writings of the time describe how tomb robbing went on even in Egyptian times. The underground burials at Armana and later on at the Valley of the Kings were generally robbed and the later period saw the remaining royal burials all brought together and hidden in one place to try to protect them.

The later post Pharonic attempts to break into the pyramids would have found no treasure and I fail to see what the writings of any Egyptologist on the various cells, traps, passages and blocking - doors is supposed to prove. The insistence on proclaiming that no body has been found in any pyramid is simply either ignorance of the subject (which shows clearly that the purpose was burial) or just the usual quotemining of various irrelevant, misundertood or misrepresented remarks which vaguely look as though they prove that pyramids were not used for burials.

Misrepresenting here is misrepresenting what the import is, not the actual wording - to make a big deal about is, yet again misrepresentation of the argument.