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Old 07-24-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Morehead City, NC
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Tisha B'Av has been called the saddest day in the Jewish calendar. Invasions, massacres and expulsions have all occurred on this date over thousands of years. The date of Tisha B'Av is fast approaching. This year it coincides with the 2012 Olympics. Is tragedy about to happen? Is history going to repeat itself? Is war going to break out at the Olympics between Israel, Iran and Syria?

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Old 07-24-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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Only if the rest of the world allows it to happen..... If we all take a stand against terrorism and let those who live by terrorism know that we will not tolerate it anymore, then and only then can there be peace.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Only if the rest of the world allows it to happen..... If we all take a stand against terrorism and let those who live by terrorism know that we will not tolerate it anymore, then and only then can there be peace.
That's a nice sentiment, and I really appreciate the thought and the willingness to take a stand.

Sadly, we Jews believe that Tish B'Av is "bigger" than the efforts of any people to correct the danger of the day. We Jews must fix this terrible day by ourselves - by ending the the terrible 2,000 year old exile we currently find ourselves in. We Jews will be doing a 25-hour fast this coming Sunday (Saturday night to Sunday night) to commemorate Tish B'Av. On Sunday we don't eat, greet our fellow Jew, wear leather, wash any part of our body - essentially we go into full "mourning mode." And the day, as well as the 3 weeks leading up to it, are considered a time of great danger and inauspiciousness for the Jew, where we limit our joy considerably while watching out for danger and peril at every corner.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Curious, was the tragedy at the 72 Olympics at this time...Tish B'Av? (If it was mentioned in the link provided, I couldn't hear it as the site was blocked at work)
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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Curious, was the tragedy at the 72 Olympics at this time...Tish B'Av? (If it was mentioned in the link provided, I couldn't hear it as the site was blocked at work)
I'm not sure. But I do know these national tragedies occurred on Tish B'Av:

1. Destruction of the first Beis Hamigdosh in 587 BCE
2. Destruction of the second Beis Hamigdosh in 70 ACE
3. Spanish inquisition (expulsion of the Jews from Spain) in 1492
4. The sin of the meraglim (the 12 Jews Moses sent to spy on the land of Israel who returned with a negative report). This is the basis of the holiday.
5. The Roman massacre of 100,000 Jews to end the Bar Kokhba revolt in 132 ACE
6. The beginning of the first crusade in 1096
7. The expulsion of the Jews from England in 1290
8. The begining of WW1 (which set the stage for the holocaust) in 1914


Jewish belief is that moschiach will be born on Tish B'Av. So although we mourn the tragedies that have befallen us on that date, we keep an awareness that redemption is often brought out of suffering (funny how a particular religion we all know was literally founded out of this idea).
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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That's a nice sentiment, and I really appreciate the thought and the willingness to take a stand.

Sadly, we Jews believe that Tish B'Av is "bigger" than the efforts of any people to correct the danger of the day. We Jews must fix this terrible day by ourselves - by ending the the terrible 2,000 year old exile we currently find ourselves in. We Jews will be doing a 25-hour fast this coming Sunday (Saturday night to Sunday night) to commemorate Tish B'Av. On Sunday we don't eat, greet our fellow Jew, wear leather, wash any part of our body - essentially we go into full "mourning mode." And the day, as well as the 3 weeks leading up to it, are considered a time of great danger and inauspiciousness for the Jew, where we limit our joy considerably while watching out for danger and peril at every corner.

It is a common belief among my people that we are all connected, we're all children of the Creator and what happens to one, happens to us all.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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We have been engulfed in a bitter exile for so long that in a lot of ways we have lost perspective. Weíve gotten so used to our present state that we often forget that this isnít what normative Jewish living is about! Normal Jewish life is one in which the Beit HaMikdash stands, avodat haKohanim takes place every day, and we have the Sanhedrin leading us as a people. Itís a life in which thereís no argument about whether we really are the chosen people or not, whether the Torahís true or not, whether the Jewish people have a right to live in Eretz Yisrael or not. Itís a life in which you donít debate the existence of Hashem Ė you feel it!
We may not have experienced it for the past 2000 years, but that doesnít change the fact Ė thatís what normal Jewish living is about. Our current bitter exile is not.
Torah, Teshuva, Judaism, BT, Jewish
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