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Old 09-24-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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Human life exists before conception because the sperm and egg cells are living humans.

This is how sexual reproduction works. The cells in our bodies have 23 pairs of chromosomes. These cells are called diploid.

Our diploid bodies create single-cell creatures (egg or sperm) with only 23 chromosomes. These cells are called haploid. Two haploids combine to form a new diploid, and the cycle continues.

Both diploids and haploids are necessary for our species to survive, so I think they all deserve to be called human. Since both egg and sperm cells are living humans, human life therefore exists before conception.

So my question is: Does anyone agree with me?
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I think a more relevant question is: When does sentience start?

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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Default I do not believe human life begins at conception

Well . . . whenever it begins . . . it is a HUMAN life which is the important consideration.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:18 PM
 
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Well . . . whenever it begins . . . it is a HUMAN life which is the important consideration.
Is future potential that important though? If simple cells possess all the awareness of skin cells, should they necessarily be treated as any more precious than skin cells?
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM
 
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Is future potential that important though? If simple cells possess all the awareness of skin cells, should they necessarily be treated as any more precious than skin cells?
If all they were or were going to be is skin cells . . . the answer would be no. But they are NOT skin cells. A human life is a human life whatever else we call it during its growth and development.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:47 AM
 
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Human life exists before conception because the sperm and egg cells are living humans.

This is how sexual reproduction works. The cells in our bodies have 23 pairs of chromosomes. These cells are called diploid.

Our diploid bodies create single-cell creatures (egg or sperm) with only 23 chromosomes. These cells are called haploid. Two haploids combine to form a new diploid, and the cycle continues.

Both diploids and haploids are necessary for our species to survive, so I think they all deserve to be called human. Since both egg and sperm cells are living humans, human life therefore exists before conception.

So my question is: Does anyone agree with me?
No. Your completely neglecting the soul that is an integral part of the process. It doesn't become "living" until the sperm reaches the egg and unites and fertilizes. At that moment, God puts a spirit into it. Then it officially becomes a "life".
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:50 AM
 
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As Mystic says it is "Human". At least if we limit ourselves to discussion on Taxonomy. But thus limited so to are Sperm, Ova and cancer cells "Human".

I always feel when we are discussing the concept of Abortion we need to go a little deeper than mere taxonomy however.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:56 AM
 
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So according to you, every time a man masturbates, he should be charged with thousands of counts of murder? Or every time a woman has her period, she is a murderer? I don't agree with that at all.

As a pro-choice atheist, I don't think live starts until the baby could live on it's own outside the female's body, but that's a different debate for a different thread.

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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So according to you, every time a man masturbates, he should be charged with thousands of counts of murder? Or every time a women has her period, she is a murderer? I don't agree with that at all.

As a pro-choice atheist, I don't think live starts until the baby could live on it's own outside the female's body, but that's a different debate for a different thread.
I'm religious, and I agree with this for the most part.

While I'm sure there are some definitions of "life" that do apply before hand, I think it's largely irrelevant until it can be sustained outside of the parent.
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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Human life exists before conception because the sperm and egg cells are living humans.
Good grief!
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"Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
"Would you tell me, please," said Alice "what that means?"
"Now you talk like a reasonable child," said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. "I meant by 'impenetrability' that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life."
"That's a great deal to make one word mean," Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
"When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra."

—Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, 1872
Argument by semanticide strikes me as more than a little adolescent.
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