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Old 10-21-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Thanks for the very informative post, PanTerra.

When the first creature appeared with 23 pairs of chromosomes, I wonder how he (or she) mated with another creature that had 24 pairs.

Maybe that creature produced a haploid egg or sperm that had 23 chromosomes and that cell joined with a haploid cell that had 24 and the odd chromosome got lost, leaving a zygote with 23 pairs. Anyway, these details are far beyond my understanding of biology.

All of the biological discoveries you mentioned are definitely in line with the Theory of Evolution, just like certain discoveries are in line with Einstein's General Theory of Relativity (which is much harder to verify than his Special relativity Theory).

Do you know of any biological discoveries that cast any kind of doubt on the Theory of Evolution?
That rabbit that was found in the cambrian. Oh wait, we haven't found that yet, but that would really throw a wrench into the works.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Unfortunately for your primitive belief system, they do. You can deny until you turn purple, but that facts are is that evolution and speciation have been observed in nature.

Observed Instances of Speciation

Birth of New Species Witnessed by Scientists | Wired Science | Wired.com

Speciation in real time

Your ignorance is just sad. Ask your doctor why you need to take all of your antibiotics when prescribed. That is evolution, observable, verifiable and demonstrated in your own body.

Only the irrational, the intellectually impaired and the incredibly stupid canít see that evolution theories such as theory of change by decent through modification are the only demonstrable means of explaining the wide diversity of life that we observe on this planet.



All of what you have claimed are LIES and just demonstrate your glaring ignorance.



I'm afraid it is, Skippy. Deal with it.
OK, hear we go goat. I did not mention any belief system I have, so what are you talking about? I have read every single lame proof of evolution there is and that's exactly what they are LAME. Ask my DR.??? My oldest son is a top specialist and guess what? He does not believe in the theory of evolution in the least. Further more he is an atheist. He is an excellent scientist and what he says is, "The theory falls to pieces at too many points to take it seriously. It therefore must be incorrect. I don't believe in God but that does not mean I believe in this theory that has no proofs that stand up to scrutiny". By the way he is a top Dr. in his field and well respected in the teaching hospital where he works.

Every few years the evolutionists come up with some new idea to try to prop up their faith and these proofs are always as lame as the last one. Not long ago some highly placed evolutionists said that life must have been brought to earth by aliens and "Planted here". Another group of evolutionists have said the we never see evolution AT ALL among observable species because that is not the way it works. It works like this. Every once in a while, like every 10,000 years or so there is an EVOLUTION EVENT. At this time many new species just spring up from who knows where. LOL. I'm serious. They are so desperate to hold this nonsence up that they will postulate anything at all.
In Darwin's time, it was thought that single cell organisms were very simple things indeed. It seemed possible that the origin of life could be just as Darwin thought. Some kind of spark in the primordial soup, bla, bla, bla. Well, now we know that even the the most simple single celled life form is complex to the uttermost. It has fully functioing DNA that is the perfect blueprint for IT"S kind. It has the capability to reproduce it's self. It has complex cellular functions that fuel the cell, etc. These facts destroy Darwin's ideas on the "Origin of species".

You are a typical evolutionist. You can't provide any proofs at all so you have to resort to name calling and calling into question the intellect of your opponent just because that opponent is not a blind follower of an unscientific, discredited idea.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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OK, hear we go goat. I did not mention any belief system I have, so what are you talking about?
If it walks like a duck, etc. etc. You are definitely a theist. Evidence is all through this message.
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I have read every single lame proof of evolution there is and that's exactly what they are LAME.
Sorry, but scientific theories don't deal in proofs, so there are no proofs to read. You are lying.
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Ask my DR.??? My oldest son is a top specialist and guess what? He does not believe in the theory of evolution in the least.
Irrelevant hearsay is irrelevant. Next.
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Further more he is an atheist. He is an excellent scientist and what he says is, "The theory falls to pieces at too many points to take it seriously. It therefore must be incorrect.
More irrelevant hearsay. Why hasn't this doctor picked up his 1.2 million dollar Nobel Prize for falsifying evolution. You again are lying. Also, argument from authority, a logical fallacy.

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I don't believe in God
I think you are lying. See below what I have quoted in Red.

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but that does not mean I believe in this theory that has no proofs that stand up to scrutiny".
Again, scientific theories outside of mathematics don't deal in proof, only falsification. You are not doing too well, grasshopper.

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By the way he is a top Dr. in his field and well respected in the teaching hospital where he works.
Good for him. This claim, however, is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Every few years the evolutionists come up with some new idea to try to prop up their faith and these proofs are always as lame as the last one. Not long ago some highly placed evolutionists said that life must have been brought to earth by aliens and "Planted here".
Name them.
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Another group of evolutionists have said the we never see evolution AT ALL among observable species because that is not the way it works.
Name them or admit you are lying.
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It works like this.
No it doesn't. You have no earthly idea how evolution works.

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Every once in a while, like every 10,000 years or so there is an EVOLUTION EVENT. At this time many new species just spring up from who knows where. LOL. I'm serious. They are so desperate to hold this nonsence up that they will postulate anything at all.
Yawn. More lies.

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In Darwin's time, it was thought that single cell organisms were very simple things indeed. It seemed possible that the origin of life could be just as Darwin thought. Some kind of spark in the primordial soup, bla, bla, bla. Well, now we know that even the the most simple single celled life form is complex to the uttermost. It has fully functioing DNA that is the perfect blueprint for IT"S kind. It has the capability to reproduce it's self. It has complex cellular functions that fuel the cell, etc. These facts destroy Darwin's ideas on the "Origin of species".
Really. BTW, only an rabid creationist would use the term "kind" to describe a lifeform. You are busted, little fundie.
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You are a typical evolutionist. You can't provide any proofs at all so you have to resort to name calling and calling into question the intellect of your opponent just because that opponent is not a blind follower of an unscientific, discredited idea.
And you are a typical creationist who has never met a lie he didn't like. You have no facts, no data to support your ridiculous creationism, so you MUST resort to messages like yours, a message which is one of the most blatant examples of ignorance I have ever seen.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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OK, hear we go goat. I did not mention any belief system I have, so what are you talking about? I have read every single lame proof of evolution there is and that's exactly what they are LAME. Ask my DR.??? My oldest son is a top specialist and guess what? He does not believe in the theory of evolution in the least. Further more he is an atheist. He is an excellent scientist and what he says is, "The theory falls to pieces at too many points to take it seriously. It therefore must be incorrect. I don't believe in God but that does not mean I believe in this theory that has no proofs that stand up to scrutiny". By the way he is a top Dr. in his field and well respected in the teaching hospital where he works.

Every few years the evolutionists come up with some new idea to try to prop up their faith and these proofs are always as lame as the last one. Not long ago some highly placed evolutionists said that life must have been brought to earth by aliens and "Planted here". Another group of evolutionists have said the we never see evolution AT ALL among observable species because that is not the way it works. It works like this. Every once in a while, like every 10,000 years or so there is an EVOLUTION EVENT. At this time many new species just spring up from who knows where. LOL. I'm serious. They are so desperate to hold this nonsence up that they will postulate anything at all.
In Darwin's time, it was thought that single cell organisms were very simple things indeed. It seemed possible that the origin of life could be just as Darwin thought. Some kind of spark in the primordial soup, bla, bla, bla. Well, now we know that even the the most simple single celled life form is complex to the uttermost. It has fully functioing DNA that is the perfect blueprint for IT"S kind. It has the capability to reproduce it's self. It has complex cellular functions that fuel the cell, etc. These facts destroy Darwin's ideas on the "Origin of species".

You are a typical evolutionist. You can't provide any proofs at all so you have to resort to name calling and calling into question the intellect of your opponent just because that opponent is not a blind follower of an unscientific, discredited idea.
It's hard to get the point across, I guess.

You don't need to believe in evolution. No need to. It won't change a thing whether someone believes in it or not.

You know gravity is just a theory.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I rest my case. You have nothing, nada, zip. I don't need to defend myself to you. It was you who said,"ask your Dr." I was just pointing out that not all Dr.s are brainwashed by the darwinists. It's a lot like stepping in a hornets nest to challenge the idiocy of Darwinism and the blantant lies and misrepresentations that pass their muster as "Science". You have no explanation as to why any evidence at all does not exist so you deflect to purile attacks on my character. Like I already said Darwinism is a matter of faith for the believer. It is however a faith in nothing. A faith that is easily debunked and a faith that changes day by day as new facts and new observations make it less and less viable as an intellegent stand to take.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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I rest my case.
You have no case.

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It was you who said,"ask your Dr."
I asked you to ask your doctor why you need to take ALL your antibiotics. If he doesn't know why, they I seriously suggest that his parents or keepers sue his medical school for malpractice and demand a refund. The answer is a simple and clear example of evolution in action.
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I was just pointing out that not all Dr.s are brainwashed by the darwinists. It's a lot like stepping in a hornets nest to challenge the idiocy of Darwinism and the blantant lies and misrepresentations that pass their muster as "Science". You have no explanation as to why any evidence at all does not exist so you deflect to purile attacks on my character. Like I already said Darwinism is a matter of faith for the believer. It is however a faith in nothing. A faith that is easily debunked and a faith that changes day by day as new facts and new observations make it less and less viable as an intellegent stand to take.
Sad.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Quite frankly, anybody who utters the words "just a theory" in the context of a scientific debate should be banned from ever discussing the topic until they go and seriously revise their core knowledge base.

Does any Creationist or global warming denier who utters those three words have any idea what they're talking about? Do you have the slightest clue what a Scientific Theory is, or did you just assume it's the casual connotation of the word?



It's just as grating when someone argues in favor of Creationism because <insert vague first cause speculation>, and in favor of tax cuts because some studies suggest that it may improve economic recovery in some instances...but for Big Bang Cosmology, Evolutionary Theory and Global Warming Theory? No...I demand absolute proof that they are true, beyond any doubt (not even "reasonable doubt"), or else they are false in my book. Never mind that I don't apply this ridiculous standard of proof (that nothing could possibly pass) to anything else.
I demand absolute proof that the theory of evolution is valid.

Got any? (I mean evidence that I cannot easily debunk as junk science - which perfectly describes the theory of evolution).
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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I demand absolute proof that the theory of evolution is valid.

Got any?
Demand until you turn purple. The only thing your demands uncover is your ignorance.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Demand until you turn purple. The only thing your demands uncover is your ignorance.
What ignorance?

The ignorance demonstrated by evolutionists?

By the way - I am leaving you alone - I only responded to a direct question asked by you of myself.

Enjoy your retirement - I still have 30 years - and even then I think that I will still work.

I hope Social Security is privatized by then - and the same with Medicare.

Repeal ObamaCare - elect Mitt Romney!
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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. I don't believe in God
Really? Here is a direct quote from you from the Christianity forum

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The Lord God Almighty, is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Bless his Holy Name. If this was not so we could not but our complete and total trust in him. His promises are sure, His plans perfect and we have that "Bessed assurance" that, "Everything works for good for those who TRUST God and are called according to His purpose". I love the old Hymn, Great is Thy faithfulness. The first few lines are:

Great is Thy faithfulness oh God my Father.
There is no shadow of turning with Thee.
Thou changest not Thy compassions they fail not.
As Thou hast been Thou forever will be.
PANTS ON FIRE little theist. Are you supposed to deny your Lord? Tsk, tsk.
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