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Old 10-10-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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I agree with that, Gld. (Is that short for 'gelding'? If so, I sympathize.)

At least I don't debate about evolution. However, if they are *******s, I may debate politics.
Gotta hand it to ya...That's a good one!

I'm surprised that with all the snark experts I've encountered here...none had caught that before.
I will say though...AREQUIPAs "Gldnrain" has been the best zinger on it so far. That still cracks me up!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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People don't understand that a scientific theory is more and different than a mere idea.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Here's something that you should always keep in mind: Theories are theories until they are proved or disproved.
Theories are disproved by science, not by faith.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Here's something that you should always keep in mind: Theories are theories until they are proved or disproved.
Theories are disproved by science, not by faith.
jtur, good buddy.

This is not correct. Scientific theories are not proved. Only disproved.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:51 PM
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We have seen evolution take place in our lifetimes. Think about the bacteria that have become resistant to antibiotics.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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jtur, good buddy.

This is not correct. Scientific theories are not proved. Only disproved.
When they are proved, they become Scientific Laws. When they are disproved, they become Scientific Curiosities of antiquarian times. In either case, they stop being Theories.

Boyle's Theory and Ohm's Theory became Boyle's Law and Ohm's Law -- when they were proved.

Notwithstanding the above, they are still disproved by science, not by faith.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:20 AM
 
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How can gravity just be a theory when it can be measured? And calculated.
It seems that despite it being explained to you on many occasions the difference between Fact and Theory (as opposed to the vernacular definitions you cling to so desperately) continues to escape you.

I am happy to try again both to educate anyone else reading and also to keep you talking as every time you post you highlight the scientific ignorance that permeates the theist camp and there is utility in keeping you folk talking so you hang yourselves.

Evolution and Gravity are observed Facts.

The explanation for those facts is what science is about. The scientist will create a hypothesis to unite all the facts available at any one time.

The scientist then evidences and tests (proves) that hypothesis rigorously. The scientist then makes predictions based on the hypothesis and tests them to see if they are correct too. The scientist then tries to falsify their own hypothesis any way s(he) can.

The scientist then publishes papers on the hypothesis in peer review journals whereupon other scientists repeat the attempts to falsify and they test the scientists work for error, bias and more.

If and when a hypothesis gets through ALL that without being found to be wrong THEN it is considered a "Theory". "Theory" in science is the highest accolade we can bestow on a body of work. It is the science way of saying "This body of work has passed every test we can throw at it and come out alive and so it is considered to be as true as it is possible to be".

There is no amount of evidence that could ever be found that will change the name of "Gravitational Theory" to "Gravitational Fact". Or "Atomic Theory" to "Atomic Fact". It simply does... not... work... that.... way... in... the... language... used.... in... Science.

The error you keep making... willfully given the number of times you have been corrected on it... is to act like "Theory" in science means the same as the vernacular definition of "theory" which is actually closer to the word "hypothesis".

You might think you are being clever pretending not to know the difference but in fact it does little more than show you up as someone who talks about science while knowing literally nothing about it. It shows you to be ignorant of science in the same way as me saying "I love american football and David Beckham is my favorite player" would show I am an ignorant pretender wannabe when it comes to american football.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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Oh man! For that ^^, you have my sympathy.

I've been in the porn biz for the last 27 years...so those people see me as the "lowest". Can't really claim it's a virtue myself.
Anyway...the people I work with, and those I sell to...if they are religious, they are very passive about it...what with the glass house we are all sitting in. So it kinda insulates me from the Hardcore Fundies. OTOH...I deal with my own set of weirdos. It's all the worse for me, because I'm not at all into porn myself.
Well, those religious lunatics want to put you out of business, but I guess you know that. That would be horribly ironic, however, as I suspect that numerous of the Religiously Impaired love to secretly watch what they are not getting at home.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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How can gravity just be a theory when it can be measured? And calculated.
Evolution can be "measured and calculated".
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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When they are proved, they become Scientific Laws. When they are disproved, they become Scientific Curiosities of antiquarian times. In either case, they stop being Theories.

Boyle's Theory and Ohm's Theory became Boyle's Law and Ohm's Law -- when they were proved.
Scientific theories and laws are two entirely separate animals. Laws are statements. Theories are explanations. In science, calling an idea a theory is elevating that idea to the highest possible honor. Theories do not become laws. Theories explain laws, which are universally observed facts that can often be expressed by mathematical models.

Laws are fundamental and can usually be expressed as a simple equation (f=ma or I=E/R). Theories are more complex and often take several laws into account. The theory of plate tectonics, for example, cannot be expressed as a simple equation. Instead it is a complex system of equations involving heat transfer, friction, force, gravity... each a law in itself. Tectonics is generally accepted as fact, but it would make a very poor law.

Study Unit : When Does a Theory Become a Law? | The Happy Scientist

Thus, there was never a "Ohm's theory". At least not theory in the scientific sense..
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