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Old 10-10-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Quite frankly, anybody who utters the words "just a theory" in the context of a scientific debate should be banned from ever discussing the topic until they go and seriously revise their core knowledge base.

Does any Creationist or global warming denier who utters those three words have any idea what they're talking about? Do you have the slightest clue what a Scientific Theory is, or did you just assume it's the casual connotation of the word?



It's just as grating when someone argues in favor of Creationism because <insert vague first cause speculation>, and in favor of tax cuts because some studies suggest that it may improve economic recovery in some instances...but for Big Bang Cosmology, Evolutionary Theory and Global Warming Theory? No...I demand absolute proof that they are true, beyond any doubt (not even "reasonable doubt"), or else they are false in my book. Never mind that I don't apply this ridiculous standard of proof (that nothing could possibly pass) to anything else.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:48 PM
 
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Yes Evolution of the species with out a creator is just a theory, And Has Never Been Proven....See evolution of the species may have a lot of convincing discoveries, but still has never been proved intellectually honest , so to speak.....See man has yet to find a direct descended of His own species , as none of the previous species come even close to the species of man ... even the neanderthal species is more closely to the chimp kind than the humans , go figure ...... Then look at the global warming theory where Al Gore and His movie has convinced the whole world that the sea is going to flood the coastal nations.....and has literally bankrupt nation economies trying to pay for this ideas , as the disaster of this magnitude will never reach to potential that these false ideas are conveying to the world ......
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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Yes Evolution of the species with out a creator is just a theory,
Did you know that Gravity is just a theory?

And you seem to be implying that Evolution with a creator has been proven...or that creationism has been proven.

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even the neathandral species is more closely to the chimp kind than the humans
...what?

Really, what?

Neanderthals used stone spears, employed elaborate hunting tactics, decorated themselves with jewelry, regularly harnessed fire and buried their dead.
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:57 PM
 
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The problem is not "proof", even facts can be interpreted differently. I think it comes down to whether or not you want to believe in something. After all people that believe in god have "faith" not proof. If they use their own standards uniformily then they would not be able to believe in that which is so central to them to begin with. People are oftened wrapped in contradictions. Another soley human trait.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Yes Evolution of the species with out a creator is just a theory, And Has Never Been Proven....See evolution of the species may have a lot of convincing discoveries, but still has never been proved intellectually honest , so to speak.....See man has yet to find a direct descended of His own species , as none of the previous species come even close to the species of man ... even the neanderthal species is more closely to the chimp kind than the humans , go figure ...... Then look at the global warming theory where Al Gore and His movie has convinced the whole world that the sea is going to flood the coastal nations.....and has literally bankrupt nation economies trying to pay for this ideas , as the disaster of this magnitude will never reach to potential that these false ideas are conveying to the world ......

All scientific theories are "only" theories, do you have a point to make?
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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From the mouth of the horse:

"In order to talk about the nature of the universe and to discuss
questions such as whether it has a beginning or an end, you have to be
clear about what a scientific theory is. I shall take the
simple-minded view that a theory is just a model of the universe, or a
set of rules that relate quantities in the model to observations that
we make. It exists only in our minds and does not have any other
reality (whatever that might mean). A theory is a good theory if it
satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class
of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few
arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the
results of future observations."

"Any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is
only a hypothesis: you can never prove it. No matter how many times
the result of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure
that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the
other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding a single observation
that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."

"In practice, what often happens is that a new theory is devised that
is really an extension of the previous theory. For example, very
accurate observations of the planet Mercury revealed a small difference
between its motion and the predictions of Newton's theory of gravity.
Einstein's general theory of relativity predicted a slightly different
motion from Newton's theory. The fact that Einstein's predictions
matched what was seen, while Newton's did not, was one of the crucial
confirmations of the new theory."

--from _A Brief History of Time_, Stephen W. Hawking, Bantam, 1988
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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Quite frankly, anybody who utters the words "just a theory" in the context of a scientific debate should be banned from ever discussing the topic until they go and seriously revise their core knowledge base.
Do you have the slightest clue what a Scientific Theory is, or did you just assume it's the casual connotation of the word?

Naaaaaaah...I'm hip to what the REAL issue is: It's "the community" trying to make it out to be more than it is...to stroke their typically inflated egos.
Me thinks I'm catching a big whiff of the left-over religious influence to science...coming off a big pile of arrogant self-aggrandizing.

"The community" has put forth an "enhanced" definition...the "meaning" has been "juiced up" to more than what it is...or needs to be.

Did ya ever notice that when you ask most any person/group to "define their field of endeavor"...they always give you some "embellished definition"?
Girls taking their clothes off in front of strangers become, "Exotic Dancers".
The guy picking up the trash isn't a "garbage man"...he's a "Waste Management Expert".
And the "cop" on the street doesn't "whack the punk in the head with a night-stick to stop him"...the "Law Enforcement Officer administers baton strokes to subdue the perpetrator". And they don't have "car chases"...they, "Engage in Pursuit".

It's nothing more than the "turbo charging" of the word "Theory" by scientists...compared to how the word is always understood in it's "REAL meaning".

A "theory" is a theory. That it is ever more, is just a headtrip by those that think it is.

My suggestion: Many (most) scientists need to figure out the "science" of getting over themselves...then apply that "theory".
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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It's nothing more than the "turbo charging" of the word "Theory" by scientists...compared to how the word is always understood in it's "REAL meaning".

A "theory" is a theory. That it is ever more, is just a headtrip by those that think it is.

My suggestion: Many (most) scientists need to figure out the "science" of getting over themselves...then apply that "theory".
Your ignorance, for someone who is so prolix, is astounding. Science has been quite clear for some time as to what scientific theories are, and their requirements. The "figuring out" burden is not on science, but for those who wilfully misunderstand it or for the sake of their own agendas, try to obfuscate it.

There is no controversy here, none at all. The only issue is those who fight science, tooth and nail, because they perceive it to be a threat to their mythologies. This is nothing new. The Church as been fighting the bright spotlight of truth for centuries.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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If anything it is the kind of theists (far from all of them) who take the scientific theory which has a specific definition of the best explanation for the observed facts and turns it onto another less applicable definition - a hypothesis which then needs proving or indeed just a suggestion or belief. While the incidental points made are undeniable - we have not seen one kind of animal change into another before our eyes nor have we fossilized evidence of abiogenesis, to pretend that evolution theory requires the same level of faith as creation is simply ignoring that all the evidence points to evolution and none to creation.

It can be argued that it is all a matter of how one interprets the evidence, but that has been argued out exhaustively over the last couple of years, and the evidence is that creationists interpret the evidence wrongly, at best and perpetrate misunderstandings and misrepresentations picked up from Creationists spokespersons. That is nothing like the ever increasing body of evidence that evolution is going on and the evidence that given time it did indeed change one kind of animal into another.

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Old 10-10-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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The Religiously Impaired™ have few options. If they actually study the facts and understand what evolution and evolutionary theories are, they have no legs to stand on. In order to try to prop up their mythologies they MUST remain willfully ignorant, erect straw men, obfuscate, lie and deflect, shift the burden of proof or become hysterical and attack with ad hominems.

Evolution and its associated theories really don't require defending any more. Evolutionary theory is the cornerstone of the biological sciences, without it, nothing makes a bit of sense. Only the irrational, the intellectually impaired and the incredibly stupid can’t see that evolution theories such as theory of change by decent through modification are the only demonstrable means of explaining the wide diversity of life that we observe on this planet.

Yet they still come with the same lies. The same misunderstandings. The same willful ignorance. Nothing changes.

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