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Of course he wasn't a real gay . . . that was never a goal. He just let everyone believe he was to experience how society and his fellow Christians would react to him. THAT was the point of the test . . . not to try to actually be gay.
When you say that no one chooses to be homosexual, you are saying they are stuck in that for life. But what about adulterers or child molesters, are they stuck in these conditions. I believe that if a person truly is hungering and thirsting after righteousness, as Jesus said in Matt. 5:6 "they SHALL be filled" [with the Holy Spirit] and if they truly repent, that Spirit will help them overcome the sin in their life.
Adultery and child molestation are actions. Homosexual orientation, like heterosexual orientation, is not.
Sorry, but even Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus International, one of the largest 'pray-away-the-gay' groups, said earllier this year that 99.9% of their members have not changed their sexual orientation.
At one time, homosexuality was against man's law.
Also there are documented cases of homosexuals who have been converted, married and lived a monogamous heterosexual life.
With man some things are impossible, "but with God (and the holy spirit) all things are possible!!
No, none of them were 'converted'. They just pretended they were heterosexual.
Even Dr Robert Spitzer, who did a published study on religiously motivated 'ex-gay' people in 2001, has earlier this year asked for his study to be retracted and has apologized to the gay community for all the damage that was done by so-called 'ex-gay' groups by misrepresennting it.
This was the only legitimate published study that the 'ex-gay' groups could use to support their views.
Note, the study I posted earlier in this thread:
A new study by conservative Christian psychologists on people in mixed orientation marriages has found that while people can change their sexual behavior, sexual orientation does not change.
“Characteristics of Mixed Orientation Couples: An Empirical Study"
"While it was not a study of efforts to change, one could reasonably assume that if a group had participants who had shifted orientation very much, then this would be the group. However, that is not what they found"
Conservative Christian psychologist Dr Throckmorton says: "I think evangelicals need to face what evangelical academics are finding in research"
The whole 'ex-gay' house of cards has been rapidly falling down, especially in the last year.
As for support that sexual orientation can't be changed... try over 60 years of research going back to the 1940's. Look up Dr Kurt Freund.
BTW, the 1950's were a particularly nasty time for gay and lesbian people being forced to undergo 'cures':
Homosexual Dachau? This name doesn't have anything to do with World War II. More than any other mental institution in the United States, Atascadero State Hospital was a chamber of horrors for homosexuals. The tag "HomosexualDachau" was well-earned for its forced lobotomies, castrations and brutal treatments practiced at that facility. Hundreds of gays and lesbians were forcibly sent by their families to be cured of homosexuality which, as recently as the early 1970s, was considered a sexual and psychological disorder.
At Atascadero State Hospital, doctors (I use that term loosely) were permitted under an obscure California law to commit those who practiced sodomy into the hospital. Once admitted, normal men and women were rendered mentally disabled through the torture of castration, lobotomies, forced chemical treatments and experimental treatments. The horrors experienced by hundreds are almost too hard to comprehend in America.
The most notorious was a Dr. Walter J. Freeman who perfected the ice picklobotomy. He jammed an ice pick through a homosexual's eyes into the brain and performed a primitive lobotomy. He believed deeply this was the only way to cure homosexuality.
Raping your wife also used to be legal. Quite recently in fact. Your point?
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Also there are documented cases of homosexuals who have been converted, married and lived a monogamous heterosexual life.
No there aren't. Suppressing one's attractions to fit into some societal mold does not mean they changed their orientation.
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With man some things are impossible, "but with God (and the holy spirit) all things are possible!!
Tell that to the millions of gay Christians who have prayed for decades for God to change their orientation and he ALWAYS says no.
Of course people like you just claim they weren't true Christians or didn't pray hard enough. You have no clue what you're talking about and you have absolutely no idea what most gay people have been through. And if God hates gays so much, maybe he shouldn't have made it prevalent in every animal species on Earth.
Raping your wife also used to be legal. Quite recently in fact. Your point?
No there aren't. Suppressing one's attractions to fit into some societal mold does not mean they changed their orientation.
Tell that to the millions of gay Christians who have prayed for decades for God to change their orientation and he ALWAYS says no.
Of course people like you just claim they weren't true Christians or didn't pray hard enough. You have no clue what you're talking about and you have absolutely no idea what most gay people have been through. And if God hates gays so much, maybe he shouldn't have made it prevalent in every animal species on Earth.
At one time, homosexuality was against man's law.
Also there are documented cases of homosexuals who have been converted, married and lived a monogamous heterosexual life.
With man some things are impossible, "but with God (and the holy spirit) all things are possible!!
All things are possible?
Have you ever heard of an amputee who had their legs grow back by praying?
There's about as much chance of that as there is for someone to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual or vice versa by prayer.
So, if one was having sex as a heterosexual and years later starts committing sodomy with someone of the same sex, is that a new choice? You MUST understand that having an attraction is not the sin but acting upon it is. We all have inclinations toward sin, all kinds of sin but we all CHOOSE whether or not to act upon them. We all sin but we don't all celebrate and hold a parade and try to force others to say that it is OK to commit that sin.
And, because one man pretends he is gay, which is living a lie, are we all supposed to ignore the law of God and jump in line at the parade? Seriously, do as you please but neither this man nor any other can alter the laws of God. I am not sure why this is even in the Christian forum since the only thing in play is the fact that the guy that lived the lie was Christian.
Thankfully California is banning the use of so called 'conversion' or 'reparative' quack therapy on minors as it's been proven to be ineffective and harmful.
It's only done by so-called 'therapists' associated with that small fringe group of religious conservative nutters NARTH anyway.
It's been completely banned in the UK for use with children OR adults.
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