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"So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matt. 8:12
Thats the golden rule isn't it?
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And the words of Jesus are hardly original.
circa 2000 BCE "Do for one who may do for you, That you may cause him thus to do." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant 109-110, Ancient Egypt.
circa 700 BCE "You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your countrymen. Love your fellow as yourself: I am the LORD." Hebrew Bible
circa 600 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5, Zoroastrianism.
circa 500 BCE "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." - Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29, Zoroastrianism.
circa 500 BCE "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5:18, Buddhism.
circa 500 BCE "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others." Analects of Confucius 15:24, Confucianism.
circa 400 BCE "Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." - Socrates.
circa 90 CE "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Gospel of Luke 6:31, Christianity
circa 100 CE "What you would avoid suffering yourself, seek not to impose on others." - Epictetus.
circa 750 "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto you; and reject for others what you would reject for yourself." - Hadith, Islam.
i personally dont take much of the bible literally, i do find it facinating though. i work at trying to interpert what it means... not what it says. i dont even just read the bible, i also read the gnostic gospels. but then again i am not aprt of an orginized religion so i dont have an "offical book" and i can kind of do my own thing.
I have two questions for those who call themselves "religious." I am seeking honest and candid answers not sarcasm or insults.
The first question is how can you pick and choose from your religious "bible"? For example, we see religious people quote Bible all the time but they often conveniently ignore the fact that the Bible supports slavery.
The Bible records that slavery happened, and it gives some regulation into how we are to treat slaves--in a much better way than any other nation at the time. It doesn't endorse slavery or prescribe a sort of man-selling horrible slavery that occurred in this country based on race. Biblical slavery was based on war prisoners or economics--and wasn't based on race.
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Another example is that people often have sex before marriage which is clearly forbidden in the Bible.
You're right. Christians who do that are hypocrites. I would question if their faith is real if they ignore a very clear command from Scripture not to do so.
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How can you, on one hand call yourself religious and on the other hand, pick and choose what is convenient to you? I would think a religious person would do everything in his or her power to follow the doctrines/codes of his/her religion.
For those who really want to follow the book, we label them as "religious fanatics."
Well, if you aren't fanatics and don't plan to follow the book, how can you call yourself religious and a believer? It likes I am a believer but I only believe the part that is convenient to me.
This really puzzles me!
You've picked 2 issues that really depend on context. 1---slavery is not to be done today. It was something that happened at the time, and it was Christians that largely worked to get it abolished in this country 150 years ago. I realize that there were also God-fearing people that practiced it. I believe they were wrong to do so.
Pre-marital sex is also wrong and there really is no excuse for it. No cherry-picking of verses. It's wrong.
Question 1 - As a religious person, how can you pick and choose?
Easy, they pick the parts they agree with, and declare that how it is, because it's the infallible word of their god. Then simply ignore the parts they don't agree with.
Easy, they pick the parts they agree with, and declare that how it is, because it's the infallible word of their god. Then simply ignore the parts they don't agree with.
Ad hominems aside, it's not that simple. We actually read the context.
and pick out the parts you like and ignore the rest.
Do you understand what "read the context" means?
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You rage about marriage, but I have yet to see you demand that brides that are not virgins be stoned to death.
Who is "you"? Have I raged about marriage here? And why would I demand that any non-virginal brides be stoned? This isn't ancient Israel. We don't live under the Mosaic Law. That's where "read the context" comes in. You should try it.
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You like the part about the evil of a man laying with a man, but ignore the part about the virgin bride.
That little part about "man laying with man" was reiterated as a bad thing in Romans 1 -- the New Testament. It also was addressed at the creation of man when God created a woman for Adam--not another man.
Honestly....you really need to "read the context". It might clear a few things up for you.
Who is "you"? Have I raged about marriage here? And why would I demand that any non-virginal brides be stoned? This isn't ancient Israel. We don't live under the Mosaic Law. That's where "read the context" comes in. You should try it.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
New International Version (NIV)
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
Again....let's "read the context".
Do you know who this was written to?
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