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Old 10-25-2012, 12:24 PM
 
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This is written about Jesus Resurrection:

The New Testament explains that Jesus will return in the future to judge the living and the dead and to establish eternal peace.
There are several verses that refer to Jesus' return, including Matthew 16:24-28, Matthew 24, Matthew 25:31-46, Mark 8:34-9:1, Mark 13, Luke 9:23-27, Luke 17:20-37, Luke 21:5-38; John 6:39-40, and John 14:3.
In Matthew 16:27, Jesus is quoted as saying that the "Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done."
The book of Matthew, chapter 24, describes a series of signs that will occur before his return. We are told that all of these signs will manifest themselves during the span of a single generation: "This generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place" (Matthew 24:34).
But we don't know which generation that will be.
In Mark 13:32, we are told that "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
There has been a great deal of speculation as to whether we are presently living in the generation that will witness all of the signs described in Matthew 24. Many people have tried to predict when Jesus will return only to be proven wrong. The Bible warns us not to worry and reminds us to be prepared, spiritually. For believers, Jesus' return will be a glorious event.


As a non-believer I don't think that the above statement is true, obviously, but let's for arguments sake say it's true....Then what ?? I have some questions for you Jesus (maybe someone on this forum can answers some of the below questions as well when looking at christian scriptures).

1. Will you stay on this earth now or will you leave. Will you allow people to ask you questions, for example people from other religions who have a totally different God.
2. There are a little more than 10,000 religions on this earth....are the other 9,999 all wrong?
3. There are thousands of different views within Christianity which totally contradicts each other on many views (for example...Mormons, Jehovah's witness and many more). Which nomination of the thousands is actually correct. Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? There are actually 32,000 according to studies...are 31,999 false and one is true?
4. What have you been doing since you appeared last time?
5. Can you perform a miracle as you did last time to prove yourself?
6. Which languages do you speak and which one should we talk to you in? Can you speak all languages on earth....after all you are the one who created us all.
7. Is evolution a hoax and what is the evidence we have found so far. Is this just made up (for example the skulls of neanderthals, Homo habilis, Homo erectus etc.)
8. How did all animals get on Noah's Ark. I mean the number are in the thousands and there are many big ones (hundreds of different dinosaurs for example).
9. How old is the earth and when we have found evidence that it is around 4,5 billion years old is that totally rubbish...
10. Do you have any thoughts or views what is the best for a society? Capitalism? Socialism? Communism?
11. If Adam & Eve were of one particular human race..How can we have different ones (Asian, Caucasian, Native people, Africans etc.) if not thru evolution.

These questions are just a few ..I have many more that I would like to ask you. Jesus, can you answer them (or anyone on this forum for that matter)...

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Old 10-25-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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1. Only a few people will see Jesus in the earth at His second coming , and these people will has a special purpose for Jesus for seeing Him , the rest of the people will not see Jesus at all until the Great Judgment at the last day ....See Jesus demands faith to see Him ....2. All religions which do not believe Jesus is Lord and do not turn to Jesus Christ to repent and seek Him and His spirit are all false , and will be lost to God ....3. same for Christians in answer 2.....4. Jesus has been developing His church and growing the followers of Christ...5. YES ....Trust Jesus ...6. Yes All languages and some no one speaks anymore......7...Evolutions of the species with out Divine selection is fiction... The Lord God is the Creator , Majesty Royal of all the Heavens and All the earth.....8 Dinosaur were not of the Noah`s Ark because they there from a previous time which the earth was destroyed of life ..... The animals which went to the ark to be saved where called and led by God to go there like the migration of birds which God calls them to move at different seasons ......God leads the birds ...9. The earth is as old as you believe , as the time I can not tell because You have made up your own mind on the subject.....10. These are all man ideas.... The best way for man is to accept Jesus and receive His spirit into your life where Jesus ways are perfect , and a society with Jesus will be victory , and society without Jesus will die......11...Adam and Eve were perfect created to be Children of God and the first to receive God image and spirit and capable of living forever in Heaven .....Humans were in the earth before Adam and Eve which were similar to in nature ..As Cain took a wife ..Where did this female come from ?...See Adam and Eve sinned against God , Where 4000 years later Jesus came and took the position which Adam and Eve lost........All these answers come from God and His understanding through His Spirit
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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3. There are thousands of different views within Christianity which totally contradicts each other on many views (for example...Mormons, Jehovah's witness and many more). Which nomination of the thousands is actually correct. Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? There are actually 32,000 according to studies...are 31,999 false and one is true?
Can you give some examples? To simplify, say between Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans. Only three I understand, but from what you say it ought to be easy to find total contradictions. (good luck O ye who sterotypes).
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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10. Do you have any thoughts or views what is the best for a society? Capitalism? Socialism? Communism?

These questions are just a few ..I have many more that I would like to ask you. Jesus, can you answer them (or anyone on this forum for that matter)...
The early Church and Jesus/Apostles seem to advocate a form of socialism IMO.

Yet the later, orthodox Church seems to have adopted a far more right-wing approach.

strange huh?
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Before I comment on your feedback I just want to tell you where I'm coming from...I'm still part of the Lutheran church but that is because you are born automatically into it here in Western Europe where I live (you become a member automatically when you are born). I celebrate Christmas, Easter and the other Christian holidays but only because it is a tradition and not because I'm religious. This is true for many western Europeans I would say. My parents have never discussed religion with me and none of my friends, family or job co-workers are religious. I have lived in USA for 8 years so I know how diffrent a "western" country can be to the next. In America all my friends were religious and most attended church on Sundays. Now you know where my belifs come from

I guess you have a totally different upbringing....It is also people like you I like to discuss these topics with because we come from totally different backgrounds.It's not fun to discuss with someone who agrees with you right.....I have respect for your views but of course I think they are all wrong.....

Anyway, let me give you my take on your feedback and I know that yours is totally different but hey, that's why it is interesting...

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Only a few people will see Jesus in the earth at His second coming , and these people will has a special purpose for Jesus for seeing Him , the rest of the people will not see Jesus at all until the Great Judgment at the last day ....See Jesus demands faith to see Him ....
According to your reasoning Jesus might already have been to this earth after the first resurrection. You say that only a few will meet him. Who are these people which he will show himself to and why only them? I guess if he does this the word will spread and people will find out that he is here on earth. I don't understand why he would only show himself only to a few people...Why has he waited close to 2,000 years to do this? Are you going to give me the explanation "one second in gods eyes is 2000 years on earth" or something similar. To your credit I can tell you that none of the other Gods (2,500 according to studies) in the other religions have showed themselves either. All religions follow the same path:

1. God appears for some people and a religion starts
2. He makes some miracles and holy scriptures are written about the God or person in question
3. After this the God is never seen or heard from again

It is interesting that no other gods have appeared. None of the 2,500 Gods except for in the beginning of the particular religion in question. I hope you see the pattern here. For me the answer is simple...No Gods exist....period...end of story....

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2. All religions which do not believe Jesus is Lord and do not turn to Jesus Christ to repent and seek Him and His spirit are all false , and will be lost to God ....
This falls in into the unique category that the other 9,999 religions also fall under. Each think that they are correct. They all think that they are so unique and have the right answers. Do you at least acknowledge that there are thousands of different religions who are as passionate, think they are correct, are as sure about their religion as you are about yours? They argue the same way as you do for their religion.. Do you at least acknowledge this? You (christianity) are not unique in any way shape or form....But I bet that you think you are unique....right?

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3. same for Christians in answer 2.....
My question was:

3. There are thousands of different views within Christianity which totally contradicts each other on many views (for example...Mormons, Jehovah's witness and many more). Which nomination of the thousands is actually correct. Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? There are actually 32,000 according to studies...are 31,999 false and one is true?

You didn't answer me which one of the different christian denominations that is correct. I guess you will say yours which I don't know which one it is yet. I can give you a list of the different views the above nominations have and they are different trust me...Which one is correct or are all of them correct according to you. Do you agree with the views of Jehovah's witness and the Mormons for example. If not, which one is the correct one. They say totally different things on many important things..which one is correct? Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? Any other one? Please be specific and no general answer which you did the first time around....

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4. Jesus has been developing His church and growing the followers of Christ..
My question was:

4. What have you (Jesus) been doing since you appeared last time?



Where exactly has he been? Up in the sky. Has he taken a spiritual form? You say that he has "growing the followers of Christ". What does this mean. Has he been talking to people or what exactly does it mean?

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5. YES ....Trust Jesus ...
My question was:
5. Can you perform a miracle as you did last time to prove yourself?


Does this mean that he will perform a miracle when he resurrects? I guess he will only do itto the very few then right which we don't even know who they are.

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6. Yes All languages and some no one speaks anymore......
My question was:
6. Which languages do you speak and which one should we talk to you in? Can you speak all languages on earth....after all you are the one who created us all.


Now I'm even more interested to see him when he resurrects. I will test him in the languages that I know which are three. I also wonder how he would do on a IQ test if he can speak all languages on earth.

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7...Evolutions of the species with out Divine selection is fiction... The Lord God is the Creator , Majesty Royal of all the Heavens and All the earth.....
Great, lets gather a lot of scientists from all over the world and have them bring all the evidence we have so far so he can debunk them. Your answer will probably be that he will only show himself to a chosen few and that he is not interested in "showing anything" right ?

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8 Dinosaur were not of the Noah`s Ark because they there from a previous time which the earth was destroyed of life ..... The animals which went to the ark to be saved where called and led by God to go there like the migration of birds which God calls them to move at different seasons ......God leads the birds ...
By reading your answer I guess you don't believe we have young earth that many think (40% of all Americans for example). They think that dinosaurs lived next to humans. How old do you think the earth is?
You said that dinosaurs lived in a different time. Which time was this and how long ago? Do you agree with scientists that they lived about 130 million years ago?

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9. The earth is as old as you believe , as the time I can not tell because You have made up your own mind on the subject.....
Why are you afraid to say how old you think the earth is? You give a really vague answer on this one. Please tell me what you think....or when you say "The earth is as old as you believe" do you agree that it is 4,5 Billion years old...I'm a little confused about your answer....


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10. These are all man ideas.... The best way for man is to accept Jesus and receive His spirit into your life where Jesus ways are perfect , and a society with Jesus will be victory , and society without Jesus will die......
This question I really want to ask Jesus because he must have an opinion about things or will he just answer that he doesn't have any opinions? You are just saying that we should accept Jesus. Once again, we shouldn't we accept any of the other 9,999 religions or the other 2,500 Gods (Not all religions have a god figure). Oh yes, you are unique...and your views is the correct one and the others are false.

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11...Adam and Eve were perfect created to be Children of God and the first to receive God image and spirit and capable of living forever in Heaven .....Humans were in the earth before Adam and Eve which were similar to in nature ..As Cain took a wife ..Where did this female come from ?...See Adam and Eve sinned against God , Where 4000 years later Jesus came and took the position which Adam and Eve lost........All these answers come from God and His understanding through His Spirit.
You are saying that there were Humans on earth before Adam and Eve. When did they appear? How long before Adam & Eve. I might be wrong about this but I thought that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth but I guess not. So the people who were put on earth before Adam & Eve..in which place on earth were they put and when. Also, were all Humans races (Asian, Caucasian, Native people, Africans etc.) put on different parts of the world in which they are found today. You don't answer how the different human races were created.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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You need to get grounded in the fundamental belief that you are a projection of God in the physical. Start with that and then more will be revealed to you:
I AM Presence - God Self - Great I AM
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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You need to get grounded in the fundamental belief that you are a projection of God in the physical. Start with that and then more will be revealed to you:
I AM Presence - God Self - Great I AM
Which God? The christian God or any of the other 2,499 Gods. Do you also fall under the "unique" category and think that your God is correct and all the others are false. Which god do you mean?
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Can you give some examples? To simplify, say between Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans. Only three I understand, but from what you say it ought to be easy to find total contradictions. (good luck O ye who sterotypes).
My main point is how can all Christian nominations be different if they are from the same God. Maybe Lutheran and Presbyterians are more similar than say Jehovah's Witness and Lutheran but there are differences. So which one is correct...That is my main point..The below is just something I found on a Christian site. You asked about differences between Lutheran and Presbyterians..Here we go:

1. Jesus died on that cross for everybody, says the Lutherans. The Presbyterians think it’s just for those who are chosen.
2. Lutherans say, have and faith and believe in God and you shall be saved. For the Presbyterians, God already chose whom to save and whom to be damned.
3. For the Lutherans, the sole rule of the Christian doctrine is the Gospel. The Presbyterian believes that it’s the glory and sovereignty of God.
4. The Lutheran believes that the communion is the actual body and blood of Christ; however, the Presbyterian believes it’s just the symbols of God’s body and blood.
5. Scriptures, for the Lutherans, are the only source of doctrines. Presbyterian on the other hand, thinks that beside the Scriptures, human reasons should be a basis as well.
6. The Baptism and Lord’s Supper are the actual means of God’s grace according to the Lutherans. But to the Presbyterians, they are just symbols of His grace.


How can there be so many differences even within the same religion let alone between the 10,000 different religions????
I tell you what...My philosophy is...Live a good life here on earth while it lasts, trust the scientific evidence that have been tested and proven and treat other people good and fair without including any religious doctrine which will only confuse you....at least it works for me....

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Old 10-28-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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Before I comment on your feedback I just want to tell you where I'm coming from...I'm still part of the Lutheran church but that is because you are born automatically into it here in Western Europe where I live (you become a member automatically when you are born). I celebrate Christmas, Easter and the other Christian holidays but only because it is a tradition and not because I'm religious. This is true for many western Europeans I would say. My parents have never discussed religion with me and none of my friends, family or job co-workers are religious. I have lived in USA for 8 years so I know how diffrent a "western" country can be to the next. In America all my friends were religious and most attended church on Sundays. Now you know where my belifs come from

I guess you have a totally different upbringing....It is also people like you I like to discuss these topics with because we come from totally different backgrounds.It's not fun to discuss with someone who agrees with you right.....I have respect for your views but of course I think they are all wrong.....

Anyway, let me give you my take on your feedback and I know that yours is totally different but hey, that's why it is interesting...

According to your reasoning Jesus might already have been to this earth after the first resurrection. You say that only a few will meet him. Who are these people which he will show himself to and why only them? I guess if he does this the word will spread and people will find out that he is here on earth. I don't understand why he would only show himself only to a few people...Why has he waited close to 2,000 years to do this? Are you going to give me the explanation "one second in gods eyes is 2000 years on earth" or something similar. To your credit I can tell you that none of the other Gods (2,500 according to studies) in the other religions have showed themselves either. All religions follow the same path:

1. God appears for some people and a religion starts
2. He makes some miracles and holy scriptures are written about the God or person in question
3. After this the God is never seen or heard from again

It is interesting that no other gods have appeared. None of the 2,500 Gods except for in the beginning of the particular religion in question. I hope you see the pattern here. For me the answer is simple...No Gods exist....period...end of story....

This falls in into the unique category that the other 9,999 religions also fall under. Each think that they are correct. They all think that they are so unique and have the right answers. Do you at least acknowledge that there are thousands of different religions who are as passionate, think they are correct, are as sure about their religion as you are about yours? They argue the same way as you do for their religion.. Do you at least acknowledge this? You (christianity) are not unique in any way shape or form....But I bet that you think you are unique....right?

My question was:

3. There are thousands of different views within Christianity which totally contradicts each other on many views (for example...Mormons, Jehovah's witness and many more). Which nomination of the thousands is actually correct. Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? There are actually 32,000 according to studies...are 31,999 false and one is true?

You didn't answer me which one of the different christian denominations that is correct. I guess you will say yours which I don't know which one it is yet. I can give you a list of the different views the above nominations have and they are different trust me...Which one is correct or are all of them correct according to you. Do you agree with the views of Jehovah's witness and the Mormons for example. If not, which one is the correct one. They say totally different things on many important things..which one is correct? Protestants? Catholics? Orthodox? Mormons? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness? Any other one? Please be specific and no general answer which you did the first time around....

My question was:

4. What have you (Jesus) been doing since you appeared last time?



Where exactly has he been? Up in the sky. Has he taken a spiritual form? You say that he has "growing the followers of Christ". What does this mean. Has he been talking to people or what exactly does it mean?

My question was:
5. Can you perform a miracle as you did last time to prove yourself?


Does this mean that he will perform a miracle when he resurrects? I guess he will only do itto the very few then right which we don't even know who they are.

My question was:
6. Which languages do you speak and which one should we talk to you in? Can you speak all languages on earth....after all you are the one who created us all.


Now I'm even more interested to see him when he resurrects. I will test him in the languages that I know which are three. I also wonder how he would do on a IQ test if he can speak all languages on earth.

Great, lets gather a lot of scientists from all over the world and have them bring all the evidence we have so far so he can debunk them. Your answer will probably be that he will only show himself to a chosen few and that he is not interested in "showing anything" right ?

By reading your answer I guess you don't believe we have young earth that many think (40% of all Americans for example). They think that dinosaurs lived next to humans. How old do you think the earth is?
You said that dinosaurs lived in a different time. Which time was this and how long ago? Do you agree with scientists that they lived about 130 million years ago?

Why are you afraid to say how old you think the earth is? You give a really vague answer on this one. Please tell me what you think....or when you say "The earth is as old as you believe" do you agree that it is 4,5 Billion years old...I'm a little confused about your answer....


This question I really want to ask Jesus because he must have an opinion about things or will he just answer that he doesn't have any opinions? You are just saying that we should accept Jesus. Once again, we shouldn't we accept any of the other 9,999 religions or the other 2,500 Gods (Not all religions have a god figure). Oh yes, you are unique...and your views is the correct one and the others are false.

You are saying that there were Humans on earth before Adam and Eve. When did they appear? How long before Adam & Eve. I might be wrong about this but I thought that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth but I guess not. So the people who were put on earth before Adam & Eve..in which place on earth were they put and when. Also, were all Humans races (Asian, Caucasian, Native people, Africans etc.) put on different parts of the world in which they are found today. You don't answer how the different human races were created.
To the above questions that I have for Jesus when he comes back I have come up with some more:

1. The scientist say that there are about 200 Billion Galaxies out there and each galaxy has around 100 billion stars. Jesus, how close were the scientists in calculating this number. After all, you created it you should know the exact number.

2. What is the reason you created Aids in the late 70s-early 80s. Please explain...

3. What do you think about Scientology. Be honest now Jesus.....
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Can you give some examples? To simplify, say between Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans. Only three I understand, but from what you say it ought to be easy to find total contradictions. (good luck O ye who sterotypes).
You have selected 3 that have the same Root,-Catholicism. They are nearly identical to each other.

Try comparing these

Mormons
JW's
Christian Scientist
Unitarian
Free Will Baptists
Coptic
Nazarene
Thomason Christians
Ethiopian Orthodox
Lord's Resistance Army
Quakers
Roman Catholic

These differ considerably in terms of the Trinity, the nature of Communion, what Bible books are canon, the concept of Baptism The divinity of Jesus(as) and other "Central" beliefs of Christianity.

In the world's statistics they are all counted as Christians. If you do not count them as Christian you have eliminated nearly 3/4 of the World's Christians. Making Christianity one of the smallest religions, not the largest, it now lays claim to being.
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