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Old 11-05-2012, 09:48 AM
 
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:46 AM
 
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more stuff they don't teach in churches from 4:00-7:00 is the main point where the judeo-christian-Islamic Satan originates from. from 7:00-13:00 Shows the greek origins of the images of satan copied by early Christians



and we wonder why Church attendance is declining, people are becoming agnostics and athiests as they find out for themseleves the history of the religions they are forced to believe in.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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... where the judeo-christian-Islamic Satan originates from.
Working on your degree in youtubeology? What a silly waste. Just FYI: there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian Satan.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Working on your degree in youtubeology? What a silly waste. Just FYI: there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian Satan.

read on Zoroastrianism where dualistic nature of good and evil copied by Jews and Christians instead of typing inane insults Satan exist in judaism christianity and islam read a bloody book on world religions




Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed.[7] Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict.[7]
The religion states that active participation in life through good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived.[7]


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Old 11-05-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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No. Show me the Greek origins of Satan as found in the Torah.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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No. Show me the Greek origins of Satan as found in the Torah.
Satan shows up in the book of Job which was written during or after the Babylonian exile when the Israelite where exposed to Zoroastrianism. the early Christians copied Greek imagery
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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Satan shows up in the book of Job which was written during or after the Babylonian exile when the Israelite where exposed to Zoroastrianism. the early Christians copied Greek imagery
False. Again, show us where you see Satan in any Jewish book? It's a patently un-Jewish concept.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Show me the Greek origins of Satan as found in the Torah.
Satan shows up in the book of Job which ...
Did you not understand the request?
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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False. Again, show us where you see Satan in any Jewish book? It's a patently un-Jewish concept.
This is last time i will deal with the matter on the Jewish concept of Satan

Iyov - Chapter 1 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

the Book of Job

6. Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them. ו. וַיְהִי הַיּוֹם וַיָּבֹאוּ בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים לְהִתְיַצֵּב עַל יְהֹוָה וַיָּבוֹא גַם הַשָּׂטָן בְּתוֹכָם:
7. The Lord said to the Adversary, "Where are you coming from?" And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it." ז. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל הַשָּׂטָן מֵאַיִן תָּבֹא וַיַּעַן הַשָּׂטָן אֶת יְהֹוָה וַיֹּאמַר מִשּׁוּט בָּאָרֶץ וּמֵהִתְהַלֵּךְ בָּהּ:
8. Now the Lord said to the Adversary, "Have you paid attention to My servant Job? For there is none like him on earth, a sincere and upright man, God-fearing and shunning evil." ח. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל הַשָּׂטָן הֲשַׂמְתָּ לִבְּךָ עַל עַבְדִּי אִיּוֹב כִּי אֵין כָּמֹהוּ בָּאָרֶץ אִישׁ תָּם וְיָשָׁר יְרֵא אֱלֹהִים וְסָר מֵרָע:
9. And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? ט. וַיַּעַן הַשָּׂטָן אֶת יְהֹוָה וַיֹּאמַר הַחִנָּם יָרֵא אִיּוֹב אֱלֹהִים:
10. Haven't You made a hedge around him, his household, and all that he has on all sides? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock has spread out in the land. י. הֲלֹא אַתָּ (אַתָּה קרי) שַׂכְתָּ בַעֲדוֹ וּבְעַד בֵּיתוֹ וּבְעַד כָּל אֲשֶׁר לוֹ מִסָּבִיב מַעֲשֵׂה יָדָיו בֵּרַכְתָּ וּמִקְנֵהוּ פָּרַץ בָּאָרֶץ:
11. But now, stretch forth Your hand and touch all that he has, will he not blaspheme You to Your face?" יא. וְאוּלָם שְׁלַח נָא יָדְךָ וְגַע בְּכָל אֲשֶׁר לוֹ אִם לֹא עַל פָּנֶיךָ יְבָרְכֶךָּ:


Satan

Satan

By Ariel Scheib

Judaism does not view the word “Satan” with the same connotation as other religions. Satan in Judaism is not a physical being, ruling the underworld or hell. Rather, in the Torah, the word Satan indicates “accuser,” “hinderer,” or “tempter.” Satan is more an obstacle in one’s way, such as temptation and evil doings, keeping them from completing the responsibilities of tikkun olam (fixing the world). Satan is our evil inclination to veer off the path of righteousness and faithfulness in God.



http://www.outreachjudaism.org/artic...-is-satan.html


For the Jewish faith, Satan’s purpose in seducing man away from God poses no problem because Satan is only an agent of God. As a servant of the Almighty, Satan faithfully carries out the divine will of his Creator as he does in all his tasks.

Satan is one of the many angels mentioned in the Bible. It is worth noting that the Hebrew word for angel is malach, meaning “messenger.” The same is true for the English word angel, derived from the Greek word angelos, which also means “messenger.”

Throughout the Bible, an angel is a messenger of God who carries out the divine will of the Almighty. There is not one example in the Jewish Scriptures where any angel, Satan included, ever opposes God’s will.

In essence, Satan is an agent of God, and has no free will or independent existence.

In no part of the Bible is this principle more evident than in the Book of Job, where Satan’s role is prominent. In the first chapter of Job, Satan appears before the Almighty with a host of other angels. Satan suggests that Job’s righteousness was not fully tested. He argues that Job might lose his faith if he were confronted by personal pain and utter destitution. He proposes to God that Job serves Him simply because God protects him. Satan requested permission from God to test Job’s virtue. The Almighty grants this petition; however, He meticulously outlines for Satan what he may and may not do when testing Job. Satan obediently follows his Creator’s instructions.

God removes Job’s protection, allowing Satan to take his wealth, children, and his physical health in order to tempt Job to curse God. Job’s faith is challenged, and by the third chapter he begins to struggle. He questions his Maker as to why he was created and, in a moment of despair, wishes aloud that he had perished in his mother’s womb.

Despite his difficult circumstances, Job does not curse God, but rather, curses the day of his birth. And although he protests his plight and pleads for an explanation, he stops short of accusing God of injustice. Still, by the end of this unparalleled biblical narrative, Job’s virtue prevails over Satan’s unyielding blandishments.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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Ahh, I see, you are referring to הַשָּׂטָן (HaSatan). HaSatan has absolutely zero connection to the Greek/Chrstian/etc concept of "satan." Jews don't believe in Satan any more than we believe in santa clause. HaSatan is simply one of Hashem's many melachim (heavenly angels) who do His bidding, and when I read all these posts here in the C-D forum where the Chrstians refer to satan, I just smile...
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